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Subject: Re: DEEP BLUES AVERAGE PLY?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 15:22:37 08/21/02

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On August 21, 2002 at 17:52:53, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 21, 2002 at 17:31:53, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 21, 2002 at 17:21:08, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On August 21, 2002 at 14:48:04, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 21, 2002 at 14:42:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Bob if you don't read what they write,
>>>>then please show us you can do math.
>>>>
>>>>Please quote what is the theoretic number to search FULLWIDTH without
>>>>hashtables OR killermoves and WITH singular extensions a treesize
>>>>of 18 ply..
>>>>
>>>
>>>First, they don't claim to do "fullwidth" in the hardware.
>>
>>The 12.2 is software+hardware depth.
>>It is very clear from their paper.
>>
>>see page 13 table 2
>>
>>iteration 12
>>minimum software depth 8
>>
>>The explanation say that is it about the position before white's move
>>in game 2 against kasparov.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>I don't begin to know how to interpret those numbers in light of the email
>I have received from the DB group about the 12(6) issue.  IE do you assume
>that "minimum software depth" is the software depth they searched to without
>extensions?

Yes

> I don't know enough to guess there, since this doesn't seem to
>quite square with the explanation they have sent me (and which I posted here
>a few months back)...
>
>It is not clear who precisely wrote the paper, which would make interpreting
>this a bit less clear.  Obviously Hsu has been gone for a couple of years,
>so a bit of confusion could easily creep in.  Some of the data actually seems
>to sound like deep blue 1, while the paper seems to imply that it is about
>deep blue 2.  But the numbers suggest a bit of confusion there as well...

It seems that IBM gave misleading information about the number of nodes of
deeper blue based on this paper.

Uri



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