Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:06:47 08/21/02
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On August 21, 2002 at 18:26:43, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 21, 2002 at 17:57:51, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 21, 2002 at 14:49:00, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 21, 2002 at 13:33:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On August 21, 2002 at 07:49:10, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 20, 2002 at 20:27:18, martin fierz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>In these days all programs were so bad that games were decided by >>>>>who didn't give away most pieces *usually*. >>>>> >>>>>So in that respect all games from then are biased as the level of >>>>>*every* participant was 600 points lower than they are now. >>>> >>>>That's wrong. We had >2200 programs back then. Belle was > 2200 in 1983. >>>>In 1984 Cray Blitz was 2250 officially. Hitech was almost 2500 officially. >>>>Deep Thought was >2600 officially. All of those "official" ratings were earned >>>>by playing only humans, comp vs comp was never rated officially by any >>>>organization we dealt with... >>> >>>Fritz3(p90) had also IM norm against humans but if you >>>look at it's ssdf rating you can see more than 400 >>>elo difference relative to the top programs. >>> >>>If you remember that A1200 that is used by the ssdf is not >>>the best hardware you can say that Fritz3(p90) is almost 600 elo weaker than >>>the top programs of today in comp-comp games. >>> >>>Fritz3(p90) played in 1995. >>> >>>Most Programs that played against deep thought played >>>when p90 was not available. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>The discussion was about deep thought/deep blue. It was not horribly better >>than _all_ its electronic opponents. Against the micros, yes it was pretty >>hopeless. But there were lots of opponents they played that were not on >>micros. Myself. Hitech. Lachex. Waycool. *socrates. You name it... > >What was the result of these players against the top micros? > >Uri At 40/2hr? Disasters. The micros played in things like the US Open, the World Open, and local events that had a GM here and there. No competition whatsoever at 40/2 back then from the micros... Which is what made Deep Thought's performance so startling to everyone. Several of us beat a GM here and there, but not regularly and rarely more than once in a single event. Until Deep Thought.
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