Author: Uri Blass
Date: 00:42:13 08/22/02
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On August 21, 2002 at 23:06:47, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 21, 2002 at 18:26:43, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 21, 2002 at 17:57:51, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On August 21, 2002 at 14:49:00, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On August 21, 2002 at 13:33:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 21, 2002 at 07:49:10, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 20, 2002 at 20:27:18, martin fierz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>In these days all programs were so bad that games were decided by >>>>>>who didn't give away most pieces *usually*. >>>>>> >>>>>>So in that respect all games from then are biased as the level of >>>>>>*every* participant was 600 points lower than they are now. >>>>> >>>>>That's wrong. We had >2200 programs back then. Belle was > 2200 in 1983. >>>>>In 1984 Cray Blitz was 2250 officially. Hitech was almost 2500 officially. >>>>>Deep Thought was >2600 officially. All of those "official" ratings were earned >>>>>by playing only humans, comp vs comp was never rated officially by any >>>>>organization we dealt with... >>>> >>>>Fritz3(p90) had also IM norm against humans but if you >>>>look at it's ssdf rating you can see more than 400 >>>>elo difference relative to the top programs. >>>> >>>>If you remember that A1200 that is used by the ssdf is not >>>>the best hardware you can say that Fritz3(p90) is almost 600 elo weaker than >>>>the top programs of today in comp-comp games. >>>> >>>>Fritz3(p90) played in 1995. >>>> >>>>Most Programs that played against deep thought played >>>>when p90 was not available. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>The discussion was about deep thought/deep blue. It was not horribly better >>>than _all_ its electronic opponents. Against the micros, yes it was pretty >>>hopeless. But there were lots of opponents they played that were not on >>>micros. Myself. Hitech. Lachex. Waycool. *socrates. You name it... >> >>What was the result of these players against the top micros? >> >>Uri > > >At 40/2hr? Disasters. The micros played in things like the US Open, the >World Open, and local events that had a GM here and there. No competition >whatsoever at 40/2 back then from the micros... Which is what made Deep >Thought's performance so startling to everyone. I know that the micro were weaker than deep thought but the question was about comparison of the micro with other opponents except cray blitz(Hitech,Lachex,Waycool,Socrates). I know for example that Socrates lost against Fritz3(p90) in 1995 in a game to decide about the world champion. It's hardware was better than Fritz but I do not know if it was better and I remember that it lost because of a tactical mistake. Socrates was probably better than other players in the list like Lachex and Waycool. Uri
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