Author: Matthew Hull
Date: 13:39:38 08/22/02
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On August 22, 2002 at 16:09:06, Chris Carson wrote: >On August 22, 2002 at 15:32:32, Matthew Hull wrote: > >>On August 22, 2002 at 15:15:08, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 22, 2002 at 14:37:07, Matthew Hull wrote: >>> >>>>On August 22, 2002 at 14:20:41, William H Rogers wrote: >>>> >>>>[snip] >>>>>... That they beat the worlds champ in 2 out of 3 is on >>>>>record, but that does not make them the worlds best. >>>>>Bill >>>> >>>>It does if no other program has done it or can do it. I guess we'll soon know >>>>the answer if the Fritz/Kramnik thing ever happens. >>> >>>Kramnik gets the machine before the match. >>>The interesting match is kasparov-Junior and not Kramnik-Fritz. >>> >>>I think that you should learn statistics and 6 games are too little data to >>>decide and stopping to play after these 6 games suggest that they know that they >>>were lucky and they want to give the public the worng impression by not playing >>>more games. >>> >>>I do not fall for this trap. >>> >>>Uri >>>Uri >> >> >>Let's put it this way. They are the only one's to ever get that lucky. But for >>some people, beating the World Champ in 6 games with a lot of skill and some >>luck (maybe even a lot of luck) adds up to zero. I think it adds up to > zero. >>Can you at least admit that? > >Results for DB and Commercials: > > > ELO Opp >DB97 2862 2795 +2 =3 -1 > >Tiger 2788 2497 +8 =3 -0 >DJ6 2702 2792 +2 =5 -2 >Rebel 2697 2697 +2 =0 -2 >DF6 2678 2545 +6 =4 -2 > >DB96 2642 2775 +1 =2 -3 > >Based on results, the top commercial programs are equal to DB today. >The 2700 GM that Rebel tied with played 100 preparation games, GM Kasparov vs DB >had none. How many preparation games did Andersson get before playing Morphy? Does anyone dispute the fact that Morphy beat Andersson? Are there endless debates about who was _really_ the stronger player? Was Fischer really stronger than Spassky? He only just barely beat him. He probably would have lost if he hadn't made such a rediculous fuss and disrupted the match. And he was too chicken to play Karpov. But I don't see you or anybody else sticking up for Spassky or Karpov. >The commercial programs can be played by anyone. DB was only played >by a select few team members and a few games later by DBjr. The commercial >programs are the best today and results as good as DB and over more games. DB >is a dead horse. According to the laws of arithmetic, 2862 is still greater than 2788. And it was achieved against _THE_ WORLD CHAMPION. None of the others can boast that. > >HSU deserves a lot of credit, but so do the developers of the commercial >programs. > >Link on Tony's page: >http://home.interact.se/~w100107/manmachine.htm > >There will be an update after the Oct, 02 matches. > >Chris
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