Author: Uri Blass
Date: 07:12:53 08/25/02
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On August 25, 2002 at 09:52:49, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>On August 25, 2002 at 07:32:29, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 25, 2002 at 07:16:08, Jeroen Noomen wrote:
>>
>>>On August 25, 2002 at 04:44:26, Tony Hedlund wrote:
>>>
>>>>[Date "2002.08.22"]
>>>>[Round "1"]
>>>>[White "Rebel Century 4 A1200"]
>>>>[Black "Gromit 3.11.9 A1200"]
>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:20/3600"]
>>>>
>>>>{156MB, Fritz7.ctg, A1200
>>>
>>>
>>>Why is Gromit allowed to play with the Fritz7.ctg book?
>>>
>>>Jeroen
>>
>>I do not know if the Fritz7 book is productive or counter productive for gromit
>>because the fritz7 book was not designed for gromit.
>>
>>I think that there is a bigger problem for rebel.
>>How is it possible that century4 is losing the same opening twice against
>>shredder
>>
>>see http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?246740
>>
>>Uri
>
>This is the book issue again. The F7 book is probably a significant advantage,
Why?
It is important to get positions that you understand from the opening.
If the fritz book is leading your engine to positions that your engine does not
know to play then it is a disadvantage.
>should any amateur program be allowed to play with it in tournaments? Is it
>unfair? At first sight yes, but at second sight it is not so easy. Did Frans
>Morsch develop the Fritz book himself? No, he has help from top-specialists.
>Same for Tiger and Rebel. Now is THAT fair? Competing in CC tournments,
>supposedly meant to determine which ENGINE is strongest, where the happy few
>have the fulltime help of book specialists, but NOT the lousy amateurs?
>
>One other thing: If I go to the shop and buy Fritz, I am allowed to use it. I am
>allowed to hook my own engine up. Why shouldn't I be allowed to use it in a
>computer chess tournament? It's MY Fritz, I bought it...
>
>The copyright issue is also not easy at all. Does anyone seriously think Jeroen
>Noomen does NOT look at other books? How come ALL the obscure, speculative,
>tricky, HAND-TYPED Cock the Gorter lines are in other commercial books INCLUDING
>the refutations? Vincent noticed this, and so do I. Technically, if I copy an
>existing book "collection" and add three new lines, it's MY collection. Ask the
>juro's.
>
>I know of CC tournaments where participants complained they had to play against
>the same book three or more times which they didn't like. Not exactly ideal.
>
>WHAT is fair???
Simply to play shuffle chess and give freedom to choose if the pawns are on the
second or the third file so the number of opening position is going to be
multiplied by 256 relative to the standard shuffle chess.
I think that it may be interesting to do some tournament in shuffle chess
between computers and humans.
Uri
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