Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 07:36:26 08/25/02
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On August 25, 2002 at 09:52:49, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>On August 25, 2002 at 07:32:29, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 25, 2002 at 07:16:08, Jeroen Noomen wrote:
>>
>>>On August 25, 2002 at 04:44:26, Tony Hedlund wrote:
>>>
>>>>[Date "2002.08.22"]
>>>>[Round "1"]
>>>>[White "Rebel Century 4 A1200"]
>>>>[Black "Gromit 3.11.9 A1200"]
>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:20/3600"]
>>>>
>>>>{156MB, Fritz7.ctg, A1200
>>>
>>>
>>>Why is Gromit allowed to play with the Fritz7.ctg book?
>>>
>>>Jeroen
>>
>>I do not know if the Fritz7 book is productive or counter productive for gromit
>>because the fritz7 book was not designed for gromit.
>>
>>I think that there is a bigger problem for rebel.
>>How is it possible that century4 is losing the same opening twice against
>>shredder
>>
>>see http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?246740
>>
>>Uri
>
>This is the book issue again. The F7 book is probably a significant advantage,
>should any amateur program be allowed to play with it in tournaments? Is it
>unfair? At first sight yes, but at second sight it is not so easy. Did Frans
>Morsch develop the Fritz book himself? No, he has help from top-specialists.
>Same for Tiger and Rebel. Now is THAT fair? Competing in CC tournments,
>supposedly meant to determine which ENGINE is strongest, where the happy few
>have the fulltime help of book specialists, but NOT the lousy amateurs?
>
>One other thing: If I go to the shop and buy Fritz, I am allowed to use it. I am
>allowed to hook my own engine up. Why shouldn't I be allowed to use it in a
>computer chess tournament? It's MY Fritz, I bought it...
>
>The copyright issue is also not easy at all. Does anyone seriously think Jeroen
>Noomen does NOT look at other books? How come ALL the obscure, speculative,
>tricky, HAND-TYPED Cock the Gorter lines are in other commercial books INCLUDING
>the refutations? Vincent noticed this, and so do I. Technically, if I copy an
>existing book "collection" and add three new lines, it's MY collection. Ask the
>juro's.
>
>I know of CC tournaments where participants complained they had to play against
>the same book three or more times which they didn't like. Not exactly ideal.
>
>WHAT is fair???
Fair is to compete with your own stuff. If i go to world champs athletics
and i take with myself a new pair of shoes, trouser and shirt.
Then it is UNFAIR if some professional athlete joins under the name
Vincent Diepeveen with my shoes and shirt and trouser.
Because it isn't Vincent Diepeveen. I wouldn't be capable of even
starting at the same speed.
Now what they do on the SSDF list is of course one big commercial thing,
but more interested i am what happens at tournametns. If you have a team
that makes a book and engine, and you compete with it. GREAT.
If you make a book, learning , GUI and other things and use the fritz7
engine, NOT FINE.
If you make an engine and use from others a GUI, book , learning, NOT FINE.
Please compete with your own thing. Don't compete with other peoples stuff.
Kure and Arturo and Jeroen have put each independant more time in their
book and Mathias has put more time in learning, making book code and
GUI than you did in your engine.
It's not fair if you misuse that under the name 'tao'. If Jeroen is
a teammember of you and gives you permission to use your
book and you get sold by schroeder and you list Jeroen as your
teammember, fine with me.
>Best regards,
>Bas.
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