Author: Tony Werten
Date: 12:24:08 08/25/02
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On August 25, 2002 at 10:12:53, Uri Blass wrote:
>On August 25, 2002 at 09:52:49, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>
>>On August 25, 2002 at 07:32:29, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On August 25, 2002 at 07:16:08, Jeroen Noomen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 25, 2002 at 04:44:26, Tony Hedlund wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>[Date "2002.08.22"]
>>>>>[Round "1"]
>>>>>[White "Rebel Century 4 A1200"]
>>>>>[Black "Gromit 3.11.9 A1200"]
>>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>>[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:20/3600"]
>>>>>
>>>>>{156MB, Fritz7.ctg, A1200
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why is Gromit allowed to play with the Fritz7.ctg book?
>>>>
>>>>Jeroen
>>>
>>>I do not know if the Fritz7 book is productive or counter productive for gromit
>>>because the fritz7 book was not designed for gromit.
>>>
>>>I think that there is a bigger problem for rebel.
>>>How is it possible that century4 is losing the same opening twice against
>>>shredder
>>>
>>>see http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?246740
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>This is the book issue again. The F7 book is probably a significant advantage,
>
>Why?
>
>It is important to get positions that you understand from the opening.
>If the fritz book is leading your engine to positions that your engine does not
>know to play then it is a disadvantage.
Having messed around with my openingsbook I can tell you that the absence of bad
lines is what makes a book strong. This takes a lot of time. I'm trying to have
my program do this by itself but it's still a lot of work.
Tony
>
>
>>should any amateur program be allowed to play with it in tournaments? Is it
>>unfair? At first sight yes, but at second sight it is not so easy. Did Frans
>>Morsch develop the Fritz book himself? No, he has help from top-specialists.
>>Same for Tiger and Rebel. Now is THAT fair? Competing in CC tournments,
>>supposedly meant to determine which ENGINE is strongest, where the happy few
>>have the fulltime help of book specialists, but NOT the lousy amateurs?
>>
>>One other thing: If I go to the shop and buy Fritz, I am allowed to use it. I am
>>allowed to hook my own engine up. Why shouldn't I be allowed to use it in a
>>computer chess tournament? It's MY Fritz, I bought it...
>>
>>The copyright issue is also not easy at all. Does anyone seriously think Jeroen
>>Noomen does NOT look at other books? How come ALL the obscure, speculative,
>>tricky, HAND-TYPED Cock the Gorter lines are in other commercial books INCLUDING
>>the refutations? Vincent noticed this, and so do I. Technically, if I copy an
>>existing book "collection" and add three new lines, it's MY collection. Ask the
>>juro's.
>>
>>I know of CC tournaments where participants complained they had to play against
>>the same book three or more times which they didn't like. Not exactly ideal.
>>
>>WHAT is fair???
>
>Simply to play shuffle chess and give freedom to choose if the pawns are on the
>second or the third file so the number of opening position is going to be
>multiplied by 256 relative to the standard shuffle chess.
>
>I think that it may be interesting to do some tournament in shuffle chess
>between computers and humans.
>
>Uri
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