Author: Bas Hamstra
Date: 15:36:15 08/25/02
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>>This is the book issue again. The F7 book is probably a significant advantage, >>should any amateur program be allowed to play with it in tournaments? Is it >>unfair? At first sight yes, but at second sight it is not so easy. Did Frans >>Morsch develop the Fritz book himself? No, he has help from top-specialists. >>Same for Tiger and Rebel. Now is THAT fair? Competing in CC tournments, >>supposedly meant to determine which ENGINE is strongest, where the happy few >>have the fulltime help of book specialists, but NOT the lousy amateurs? >> >>One other thing: If I go to the shop and buy Fritz, I am allowed to use it. I >>allowed to hook my own engine up. Why shouldn't I be allowed to use it in a >>computer chess tournament? It's MY Fritz, I bought it... >> >>The copyright issue is also not easy at all. Does anyone seriously think >>Noomen does NOT look at other books? How come ALL the obscure, speculative, >>tricky, HAND-TYPED Cock the Gorter lines are in other commercial books >>the refutations? Vincent noticed this, and so do I. Technically, if I copy an >>existing book "collection" and add three new lines, it's MY collection. Ask >>juro's. >> >>I know of CC tournaments where participants complained they had to play against >>the same book three or more times which they didn't like. Not exactly ideal. >> >>WHAT is fair??? > >Fair is to compete with your own stuff. If i go to world champs athletics >and i take with myself a new pair of shoes, trouser and shirt. >Then it is UNFAIR if some professional athlete joins under the name >Vincent Diepeveen with my shoes and shirt and trouser. > >Because it isn't Vincent Diepeveen. I wouldn't be capable of even >starting at the same speed. > >Now what they do on the SSDF list is of course one big commercial thing, >but more interested i am what happens at tournametns. If you have a team >that makes a book and engine, and you compete with it. GREAT. > >If you make a book, learning , GUI and other things and use the fritz7 >engine, NOT FINE. >If you make an engine and use from others a GUI, book , learning, NOT FINE. > >Please compete with your own thing. Don't compete with other peoples stuff. > >Kure and Arturo and Jeroen have put each independant more time in their >book and Mathias has put more time in learning, making book code and >GUI than you did in your engine. > >It's not fair if you misuse that under the name 'tao'. If Jeroen is >a teammember of you and gives you permission to use your >book and you get sold by schroeder and you list Jeroen as your >teammember, fine with me. Good idea, to list the team-members, they really deserve the honour, I agree 100%. Since I am going to buy Fritz, and am therefore entitled to use this package for personal use (such as in a CC tournament where I myself operate) my team-members will be: M. Feist (gui, book-learning), A. Kure (book), E. Nalimov (tb), B. Hamstra (engine). So now everything is ok? I listed the team-members and made perfectly clear it is a team effort. Best regards, Bas.
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