Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 15:42:08 08/25/02
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On August 25, 2002 at 18:36:15, Bas Hamstra wrote: >>>This is the book issue again. The F7 book is probably a significant advantage, >>>should any amateur program be allowed to play with it in tournaments? Is it >>>unfair? At first sight yes, but at second sight it is not so easy. Did Frans >>>Morsch develop the Fritz book himself? No, he has help from top-specialists. >>>Same for Tiger and Rebel. Now is THAT fair? Competing in CC tournments, >>>supposedly meant to determine which ENGINE is strongest, where the happy few >>>have the fulltime help of book specialists, but NOT the lousy amateurs? >>> >>>One other thing: If I go to the shop and buy Fritz, I am allowed to use it. I >>allowed to hook my own engine up. Why shouldn't I be allowed to use it in a >>>computer chess tournament? It's MY Fritz, I bought it... >>> >>>The copyright issue is also not easy at all. Does anyone seriously think >>Noomen does NOT look at other books? How come ALL the obscure, speculative, >>>tricky, HAND-TYPED Cock the Gorter lines are in other commercial books >>>the refutations? Vincent noticed this, and so do I. Technically, if I copy an >>>existing book "collection" and add three new lines, it's MY collection. Ask >>juro's. >>> >>>I know of CC tournaments where participants complained they had to play against >>>the same book three or more times which they didn't like. Not exactly ideal. >>> >>>WHAT is fair??? >> >>Fair is to compete with your own stuff. If i go to world champs athletics >>and i take with myself a new pair of shoes, trouser and shirt. >>Then it is UNFAIR if some professional athlete joins under the name >>Vincent Diepeveen with my shoes and shirt and trouser. >> >>Because it isn't Vincent Diepeveen. I wouldn't be capable of even >>starting at the same speed. >> >>Now what they do on the SSDF list is of course one big commercial thing, >>but more interested i am what happens at tournametns. If you have a team >>that makes a book and engine, and you compete with it. GREAT. >> >>If you make a book, learning , GUI and other things and use the fritz7 >>engine, NOT FINE. >>If you make an engine and use from others a GUI, book , learning, NOT FINE. >> >>Please compete with your own thing. Don't compete with other peoples stuff. >> >>Kure and Arturo and Jeroen have put each independant more time in their >>book and Mathias has put more time in learning, making book code and >>GUI than you did in your engine. >> >>It's not fair if you misuse that under the name 'tao'. If Jeroen is >>a teammember of you and gives you permission to use your >>book and you get sold by schroeder and you list Jeroen as your >>teammember, fine with me. > >Good idea, to list the team-members, they really deserve the honour, I agree >100%. Since I am going to buy Fritz, and am therefore entitled to use this >package for personal use (such as in a CC tournament where I myself operate) my >team-members will be: M. Feist (gui, book-learning), A. Kure (book), E. Nalimov >(tb), B. Hamstra (engine). > >So now everything is ok? I listed the team-members and made perfectly clear it >is a team effort. > >Best regards, >Bas. What you do at fics is your matter, but computerchess tournaments has rules. A big rule is to have your own stuff, which involved permission of the book author. This means you can't join world champs with the above. Best regards, Vincent
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