Author: Frank Schneider
Date: 22:26:39 08/25/02
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On August 25, 2002 at 09:26:29, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>On August 25, 2002 at 07:32:29, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 25, 2002 at 07:16:08, Jeroen Noomen wrote:
>>
>>>On August 25, 2002 at 04:44:26, Tony Hedlund wrote:
>>>
>>>>[Date "2002.08.22"]
>>>>[Round "1"]
>>>>[White "Rebel Century 4 A1200"]
>>>>[Black "Gromit 3.11.9 A1200"]
>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:20/3600"]
>>>>
>>>>{156MB, Fritz7.ctg, A1200
>>>
>>>
>>>Why is Gromit allowed to play with the Fritz7.ctg book?
>>>
>>>Jeroen
>
>Comon cut the crap, a gromit book is going to get butchered,
>where a fritz7 book is hundreds of points better.
That's just not true and you're in no position to make such a statement.
We play testgames vs. professionals all the time using our own book,
which is based on grandmaster games. When Gromit gets a bad position
we manually edit the bad line and fix it. We did that for a long time
(some years) and now we very rarely see bad openings.
I can understand the SSDFs decision to test amateurs with general.ctg
or another widely available book. It would be some effort for the testers
to download hundreds of MBs of amateur-books. I'd also like to stress
the point M. Scheidl made (
http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?247827
) that the main audience of the SSDF are users who can freely choose
combinations of book and engine.
Frank
> The germans
>are not capable of producing a good book in an environment of
>their own of course (under winboard, arena or
>whatever non-chessbase). The sheer quality of the lines and
>especially the wideness of the book, which all big hand given
>in books share, it's impossible to say it is 'counter productive'.
>
>Reality is that if they make a book of their own, that it's going
>to be +2.0 before the opponent is out of book. In short if 2
>strong engines play each other, that's shifting the statistical chance
>too much.
>
>>I do not know if the Fritz7 book is productive or counter productive for gromit
>>because the fritz7 book was not designed for gromit.
>
>You must not talk about nonsense of counter productive, you must
>see what the alternative is. The alternative is no book or something
>pathetic automatically generated.
>
>>I think that there is a bigger problem for rebel.
>>How is it possible that century4 is losing the same opening twice against
>>shredder
>>
>>see http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?246740
>>>Uri
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