Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 16:40:05 08/26/02
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Thanks for posting repeatedly original quotes from Feng Hsu. Original data is
always the best. I think that the misunderstanding is also solved. Excuse me if
I insisted too long but I think it is always important to watch the soundness of
arguments. The rest is open to the readers interpretation. I wished you could
give us more reports from interesting events in the States. Since you had
created the text line of the Subject let me state that the situation when you
encounter such a prominent person is very different from our debates here. In
real life you should not and you cannot talk as if you wouldn't believe him a
single word, of course you must take his words as correct 'as if'. If you know
the subject you can continue to ask but asking does never mean judging already.
On the contrary here we are free to think about the internal consistance and the
soundness of arguments. We can analyse. Of course we could no longer ask
questions. All depends on the quality of _your_ questions. So at best we can
learn how to ask further questions... Thanks again.
Rolf Tueschen
On August 26, 2002 at 19:23:24, Keith Ian Price wrote:
>On August 25, 2002 at 06:09:44, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On August 24, 2002 at 23:49:42, Keith Ian Price wrote:
>>
>>>On August 24, 2002 at 20:21:21, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't want to comment on the other claims you made. Elsewhere I made the
>>>>necessary explanation of what was wrong and what not.
>>>>
>>>>But this here is unfair to Bob Hyatt. What he posted into RGCC in 1997 was as he
>>>>said especially allowed by Hsu. Otherwise Bob wouldn't have posted it.
>>>>The "furor" was on RGCC, not on CCC. And I think you remember that now.
>>>>
>>>>Rolf Tueschen
>>>
>>>Actually, since I read both places back then, I couldn't remember if it was one
>>>or the other or both. And, as I said, I don't remember what exactly he said, but
>>>he regretted it was posted. I did not say that he blamed Bob for it.
>>
>>If that is consistent for you with what you wrote ("but I think Hsu said that he
>>wished that Bob had not posted that, since he did not have the scores.") then
>>it's fine by me. The fact that Bob did post it _after_ he had asked Hsu and that
>>Hsu consented, seems to be (for you) no contradiction in your presentation.
>
>Actually, now that you spell it out, I can see how it could be misunderstood. I
>should have said he regretted it was posted, making it passive. He was not
>blaming Bob, and I didn't mean to imply that he was.
>
>
>>Well, this is fine by me, since I concentrated my focus on Hsu and not you.
>>
>>>My point
>>>with this was that Hsu was not originally intending to make any boasts about it,
>>>but it was Bob that requested it be posted.
>>
>>Here I feel certain regrets for Hsu how you are trying to defend him. In my eyes
>>you make it even worse. First of all why Hsu should have been boasting or being
>>proud of such results _at all_ when he had the top number one entity?? So, the
>>fact, that he didn't boast is totally trivial.
>
>Well, the problem is, I was not answering you in this comment, but referring
>back to Peter Hegger's post where he said, "I'm not the one who made the claims
>about my programs prowess." Peter seemed to think that Hsu was boasting.
>
>
>>
>>For you the main question is out of view, why Hsu didn't catch the gamescores.
>>I'm not talking about exact logs. Isn't that frightening you a little bit at
>>least - as a chessplayer? Why didn't you put the question to Hsu this way?
>>Because I still see a long road from the boasting to just acting naturally and
>>keeping the gamescores, the moves!
>
>I did ask him why, since to me they would have been important. He said that to
>him they were not.
>
>>
>>Let me repeat it. We are _not_ focussing on either lying, cheating nor boasting!
>>We are thinking that the gamescores are lacking.
>>
>>Rolf Tueschen
>>
>>
>>>
>>>kp
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