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Subject: Re: Crude estimate of the value of an amateur book --> 100 ELO

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 17:36:20 08/26/02

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On August 26, 2002 at 20:34:38, Mike Byrne wrote:

>On August 26, 2002 at 19:38:19, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
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>>On August 26, 2002 at 19:11:27, Mike Byrne wrote:
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>>>On August 26, 2002 at 17:48:27, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
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>>>>On August 26, 2002 at 17:45:04, Mike Byrne wrote:
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>>>>>I would like to see two different programs with and without opening books.  I
>>>>>think the difference between unlike programs would be less.
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>>>>>Mike
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>>>>Hello:
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>>>>Not at all. What it is being proved here is how a chess program can increased
>>>>its level using a book.
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>>>>The most realiable prove is doing it against the same engine without book.
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>>>>A mixture of different engine doesnt prove anything.
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>>>That's not true , I just played Crafty and Yace both with books in a 100 game
>>>match - ..I can play one against the other - one without book - that would give
>>>me some data on the impact of books.
>>>
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>>The problem here is what Engines to choose in order to get reliable data.
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>>Engine plus Book plus Engine without Book against what?
>>Amateurs? Which Amateurs? All the Amateurs?
>>Comercials? Which Comercials? All the Comercials?
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>>If you dont choose all the programs, why would you choose Crafy Vs Yace instead
>>Crafty Vs Fritz or Gandalf?
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>>The idea of to Match the Engine + Book Vs the Engine without book is to validate
>>how the Engine increased its level with an opening book.
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>>It can happen that Yace without Book can easily beat Crafty withtout Book but
>>what does it prove?
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>That's my point, you not even reading what I am saying - I just played 100 games
>both with book, now I (could) play Yace WITHOUT book vs Crafty WITH book, then
>flipflop, play crafty WITH book and yace WITHOUT book - don't try to read in
>between the lines, just read the lines and you'll be fine.

of course in my haste , I errored in typing my thought - the above shoudl read:

That's my point, you not even reading what I am saying - I just played 100 games
both with book, now I (could) play Yace WITHOUT book vs Crafty WITH book, then
flipflop, play crafty WITHOUT book and yace WITH book - don't try to read in
between the lines, just read the lines and you'll be fine.

Regards,

Mike



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>>Only that Yace is stronger than Crafty.
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>>Validating against only one Engine only show the impact against that specific
>>engine.
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>>But the idea is validate how the Engine is increasing its levell using a good
>>book.
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>>By the way, this is my vision.
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>>The debate above was: The engine without book is at the same level with the same
>>engine with book.
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>>How can you demonstrate that this is not true? Against other engine?
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>>Telle me how and I will ship your idea :)
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>>Regards, Arturo.



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