Author: Mike Byrne
Date: 17:36:20 08/26/02
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On August 26, 2002 at 20:34:38, Mike Byrne wrote: >On August 26, 2002 at 19:38:19, Arturo Ochoa wrote: > >>On August 26, 2002 at 19:11:27, Mike Byrne wrote: >> >>>On August 26, 2002 at 17:48:27, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>> >>>>On August 26, 2002 at 17:45:04, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>> >>>>>I would like to see two different programs with and without opening books. I >>>>>think the difference between unlike programs would be less. >>>>> >>>>>Mike >>>> >>>>Hello: >>>> >>>>Not at all. What it is being proved here is how a chess program can increased >>>>its level using a book. >>>> >>>>The most realiable prove is doing it against the same engine without book. >>>> >>>>A mixture of different engine doesnt prove anything. >>> >>>That's not true , I just played Crafty and Yace both with books in a 100 game >>>match - ..I can play one against the other - one without book - that would give >>>me some data on the impact of books. >>> >> >>The problem here is what Engines to choose in order to get reliable data. >> >>Engine plus Book plus Engine without Book against what? >>Amateurs? Which Amateurs? All the Amateurs? >>Comercials? Which Comercials? All the Comercials? >> >>If you dont choose all the programs, why would you choose Crafy Vs Yace instead >>Crafty Vs Fritz or Gandalf? >> >>The idea of to Match the Engine + Book Vs the Engine without book is to validate >>how the Engine increased its level with an opening book. >> >>It can happen that Yace without Book can easily beat Crafty withtout Book but >>what does it prove? > >That's my point, you not even reading what I am saying - I just played 100 games >both with book, now I (could) play Yace WITHOUT book vs Crafty WITH book, then >flipflop, play crafty WITH book and yace WITHOUT book - don't try to read in >between the lines, just read the lines and you'll be fine. of course in my haste , I errored in typing my thought - the above shoudl read: That's my point, you not even reading what I am saying - I just played 100 games both with book, now I (could) play Yace WITHOUT book vs Crafty WITH book, then flipflop, play crafty WITHOUT book and yace WITH book - don't try to read in between the lines, just read the lines and you'll be fine. Regards, Mike > >;>) > >Regards, > >Mike > > > > > > > > > > >> >>Only that Yace is stronger than Crafty. >> >>Validating against only one Engine only show the impact against that specific >>engine. >> >>But the idea is validate how the Engine is increasing its levell using a good >>book. >> >>By the way, this is my vision. >> >>The debate above was: The engine without book is at the same level with the same >>engine with book. >> >>How can you demonstrate that this is not true? Against other engine? >> >>Telle me how and I will ship your idea :) >> >> >>Regards, Arturo.
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