Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 18:54:40 08/26/02
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On August 26, 2002 at 20:44:15, Dann Corbit wrote: >On August 26, 2002 at 20:36:20, Mike Byrne wrote: > >>On August 26, 2002 at 20:34:38, Mike Byrne wrote: >> >>>On August 26, 2002 at 19:38:19, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>> >>>>On August 26, 2002 at 19:11:27, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 26, 2002 at 17:48:27, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 26, 2002 at 17:45:04, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I would like to see two different programs with and without opening books. I >>>>>>>think the difference between unlike programs would be less. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Mike >>>>>> >>>>>>Hello: >>>>>> >>>>>>Not at all. What it is being proved here is how a chess program can increased >>>>>>its level using a book. >>>>>> >>>>>>The most realiable prove is doing it against the same engine without book. >>>>>> >>>>>>A mixture of different engine doesnt prove anything. >>>>> >>>>>That's not true , I just played Crafty and Yace both with books in a 100 game >>>>>match - ..I can play one against the other - one without book - that would give >>>>>me some data on the impact of books. >>>>> >>>> >>>>The problem here is what Engines to choose in order to get reliable data. >>>> >>>>Engine plus Book plus Engine without Book against what? >>>>Amateurs? Which Amateurs? All the Amateurs? >>>>Comercials? Which Comercials? All the Comercials? >>>> >>>>If you dont choose all the programs, why would you choose Crafy Vs Yace instead >>>>Crafty Vs Fritz or Gandalf? >>>> >>>>The idea of to Match the Engine + Book Vs the Engine without book is to validate >>>>how the Engine increased its level with an opening book. >>>> >>>>It can happen that Yace without Book can easily beat Crafty withtout Book but >>>>what does it prove? >>> >>>That's my point, you not even reading what I am saying - I just played 100 games >>>both with book, now I (could) play Yace WITHOUT book vs Crafty WITH book, then >>>flipflop, play crafty WITH book and yace WITHOUT book - don't try to read in >>>between the lines, just read the lines and you'll be fine. >> >>of course in my haste , I errored in typing my thought - the above shoudl read: >> >>That's my point, you not even reading what I am saying - I just played 100 games >>both with book, now I (could) play Yace WITHOUT book vs Crafty WITH book, then >>flipflop, play crafty WITHOUT book and yace WITH book - don't try to read in >>between the lines, just read the lines and you'll be fine. > >But what has been shown until you have: > >Cr+book verses Ya+book >Cr-book verses Ya+book >Cr+book verses Cr-book >Ya+book verses Ya-book > >? > >The reason I ask is: >Any of the books can be defective. Hence, it is going to take a big pile of >games before you can find something out. However, if you play an individual >program with its book against the exact same program but without its book, you >will eliminate all except one variable. > >Naturally, my experiment answers only one question: >Under the conditions of the experiment, does program X play better against >itself with or without a book? I agree here. This is the core of the experiment: to show how a program with a book can help a program during the opening. Of course, I know it is clear but it must be showed with facts here. I ship your experiment. :) Arturo. > >The question you answer also includes as many other programs as you try. > >Both questions are interesting.
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