Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 19:07:59 08/26/02
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On August 26, 2002 at 20:36:20, Mike Byrne wrote: >On August 26, 2002 at 20:34:38, Mike Byrne wrote: > >>On August 26, 2002 at 19:38:19, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >> >>>On August 26, 2002 at 19:11:27, Mike Byrne wrote: >>> >>>>On August 26, 2002 at 17:48:27, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 26, 2002 at 17:45:04, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I would like to see two different programs with and without opening books. I >>>>>>think the difference between unlike programs would be less. >>>>>> >>>>>>Mike >>>>> >>>>>Hello: >>>>> >>>>>Not at all. What it is being proved here is how a chess program can increased >>>>>its level using a book. >>>>> >>>>>The most realiable prove is doing it against the same engine without book. >>>>> >>>>>A mixture of different engine doesnt prove anything. >>>> >>>>That's not true , I just played Crafty and Yace both with books in a 100 game >>>>match - ..I can play one against the other - one without book - that would give >>>>me some data on the impact of books. >>>> >>> >>>The problem here is what Engines to choose in order to get reliable data. >>> >>>Engine plus Book plus Engine without Book against what? >>>Amateurs? Which Amateurs? All the Amateurs? >>>Comercials? Which Comercials? All the Comercials? >>> >>>If you dont choose all the programs, why would you choose Crafy Vs Yace instead >>>Crafty Vs Fritz or Gandalf? >>> >>>The idea of to Match the Engine + Book Vs the Engine without book is to validate >>>how the Engine increased its level with an opening book. >>> >>>It can happen that Yace without Book can easily beat Crafty withtout Book but >>>what does it prove? >> >>That's my point, you not even reading what I am saying - I just played 100 games >>both with book, now I (could) play Yace WITHOUT book vs Crafty WITH book, then >>flipflop, play crafty WITH book and yace WITHOUT book - don't try to read in >>between the lines, just read the lines and you'll be fine. > >of course in my haste , I errored in typing my thought - the above shoudl read: > >That's my point, you not even reading what I am saying - I just played 100 games >both with book, now I (could) play Yace WITHOUT book vs Crafty WITH book, then >flipflop, play crafty WITHOUT book and yace WITH book - don't try to read in >between the lines, just read the lines and you'll be fine. > My point is: Why Crafty Vs Yace and not Crafty Vs Fritz or Gandalf? I have read all you proposal but your objetive seems to be pretty different to my specified point. I read all your idea that is valuable but you should have to run against the other engines. The objetive is to show that an Engine is doing better with book and not without book that it is being sold in this Forum as the Law of the Physics. Tell me, if your time is 2 minutes how can I conclude that the data is reliable with lightning chess? In this point, I must be pretty obstinate because I don´t see how you can show this. Regards, Arturo and it is very intereting this debate. :) >Regards, > >Mike > > > >> >>;>) >> >>Regards, >> >>Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>>Only that Yace is stronger than Crafty. >>> >>>Validating against only one Engine only show the impact against that specific >>>engine. >>> >>>But the idea is validate how the Engine is increasing its levell using a good >>>book. >>> >>>By the way, this is my vision. >>> >>>The debate above was: The engine without book is at the same level with the same >>>engine with book. >>> >>>How can you demonstrate that this is not true? Against other engine? >>> >>>Telle me how and I will ship your idea :) >>> >>> >>>Regards, Arturo.
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