Author: allan johnson
Date: 20:14:03 08/26/02
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On August 26, 2002 at 15:17:16, Sandro Necchi wrote: >On August 26, 2002 at 14:06:53, William H Rogers wrote: > >>Computer chess program are suppost to be designed to examine the board and guess >>at what the move should be based upon weight and rules. Using an opening book to >>make move is altogether another thing. First lets define what is an opening? > >Hi, > >For me the opening book is/are info which help the program to play originally >and stronger. >The book is a sort of adding experience and home preparation, like strong >players do, to chess programs. >So the lines may me short or long depending on the position, on the line and/or >on line complexity. > >Is >>it the first 5 moves; 10 moves; how many are considered opening before you get >>into midgame or endgame? The first 5 or 10 moves of a chess game can play a big >>part of how strong a program can be, that is if the moves selected are good >>moves. If one side develope a strong control of the center and the other side >>does not in the first 10 or so moves then the second program, no matter how >>strong the engine may be is at a great disadvantage and might lose. >>Last year, or maybe it was in 2000 there was a tournement held and the results >>were posted in this forum. In one game, one program checkmated its opponent >>without ever leaving its 'opening book'. I complained at that time and several >>times since. I thing that the size and depth of opening books should be limited, >>at least in competition games. > >Why? > >I do not agree. >Since the human chess players can prepare themselfs with long lines, why the >programs should not be allowed to? >I am not saying that this has to be done, but I think it should be left to the >book maker to decide if do it or not. > > Programmers would be foolish not to include as long a line as possible.To begin with the engine uses valuable time searching for the best move when it is out of book and secondly the programme may not come up with the best move-when the position is complicated- and then would be at a disadvantage throughout the remainder of the game.Yep I'm with you on this point. Al >What they sell for private use by the home user >>is another matter completely. Some people want the strongest program that they >>can get period, but even there I would bet that some people would love to be >>able to disable the games books once in a while. > > >Yes, why not add options to make it weaker? > >>Those people who have strong opening books have one point of view and those who >>don't must have another. ect. ect. ect. I have said this all once before and now >>I am repeating myself again. > >I think the programs should be as strong if possible (I hope chess programs will >reach 3000 soon to see very nice games!) and this means to me that in order to >reach that level we need the strongest engines with the strongest books! > >The important is to learn and see beautiful games no matter if they are played >by computers! > >This is what I think. > >Sandro Necchi >>Bill
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