Author: Russell Reagan
Date: 11:46:49 08/27/02
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On August 27, 2002 at 07:32:26, Steve Coladonato wrote: >Are these prepared books better than ECO? I think they are just different than books like ECO, NCO, MCO, etc.. Those books are more of an attempt to give us a comprehensive, one volume opening reference. These books, for the most part, have only the good lines. Professional books for computer chess probably have a lot of the same good lines, but also many "trap" lines, maybe some drawing lines, and so on. For example, if the computer is black, and white plays a bad move, then the continuation probably isn't going to be in ECO, MCO, etc., but in a professional book, it may have the continuation because the "trap" might be too deep for the engine to see on it's own. >If there were a "standard" book of say 14 moves the playing surface is leveled. That's not the point! If what you want is everything to be "equal", then forget it. People aren't equal. Some have more intelligence, some have more time to work on their engine, some have more money to get faster computers, etc. I think the worst thing to come out of the "equal rights" movement is that now anytime anything isn't "fair" people start complaining and taking people to court. Life isn't fair, and people aren't equal. Do we deserve equal RIGHTS? Sure, but RIGHTS do not include you (or anyone else) getting an equal opening book, sorry. >It is then computer vs. computer. Nope, it's still human vs. human until computer AI is more advanced and computers can think for themselves. Do you think Fritz is on top of the SSDF list because of superior learning ability in Fritz, or because Frans Morsch (author of Fritz) is extremely talented? The answer is of course that Fritz's success is due to one HUMAN, Frans Morsch. Computers may be playing the games, but it's still human vs. human. >Apparently, these books are making it >computer vs. human until both are out of book. Wrong again, see above. >Where does the computer program >start and human intervention end. The computer program starts when it's executed. If it supports Winboard or UCI, there is no need for human intervention, and the computer will play automatically, based upon what the HUMAN told it to do of course :) >From what I have heard so far, the only thing >chess programs do well is look up things. Oh no, they do many things well. For example, they can look things up in a book very well (which the HUMAN told them to do) and they can search very well (which the HUAMN told them to do) and they can evaluate positions pretty well (which the HUMAN told them to do). Seeing a pattern here? Humans write the chess engine just like they write the book. The computer follows the humans instructions, whether the instructions are in the book or in the engine. Russell
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