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Subject: Re: My new Hobby with Fritz = Zugzwang!

Author: Torstein Hall

Date: 14:36:48 08/29/02

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On August 29, 2002 at 16:50:06, Eduard Nemeth wrote:

>On August 29, 2002 at 14:09:01, Torstein Hall wrote:
>
>>If you set selectivity to 0 in F7 it solves the probledm imidiately
>>New game
>>
>>1kB5/p1p5/P1P5/PKp5/P1P5/8/7p/6bR w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Fritz 7:
>>
>>1.Bb7!
>>  +-  (#7)   Depth: 10/19   00:00:00  20kN
>>
>>(H, Privat 29.08.2002)
>>
>>Torstein
>
>I clear allways the hashtables!!
>
>Here in ****This Moment*** after Hashclear:
>

The main point was to set selectivity to 0 under parameters. It looks like it
removes a lot of null-move problems. Like in this example. Probably makes Fritz
weaker though.

Torstein


>Neue Partie
>1kB5/p1p5/P1P5/PKp5/P1P5/8/7p/6bR w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Fritz 7:
>
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 17/18   00:00:00  61kN
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 18/19   00:00:00  70kN
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 19/19   00:00:00  92kN
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 20/21   00:00:00  123kN
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 21/23   00:00:01  176kN
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 22/23   00:00:01  243kN
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 23/25   00:00:01  317kN
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 24/26   00:00:02  418kN
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 25/25   00:00:02  577kN
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 26/27   00:00:03  813kN
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 27/29   00:00:04  1189kN
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 28/30   00:00:06  1741kN
>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>  +-  (4.06)   Tiefe: 29/31   00:00:09  2590kN
>
>(Nemeth, Stuttgart 29.08.2002)
>
>>
>>PS Remember to clear hashtable if you change setings
>>
>>
>>On August 29, 2002 at 12:32:49, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>
>>>On August 29, 2002 at 11:15:25, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 29, 2002 at 10:46:45, Volker Pittlik wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 29, 2002 at 10:01:58, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[D]1kB5/p1p5/P1P5/PKp5/P1P5/8/7p/6bR w
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Analysis by Fritz 7.008:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>>>>>>  +-  (4.06)  Tiefe: 35/47  00:01:39  33456kN, tb=138
>>>>>>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>>>>>>  +-  (4.06)  Tiefe: 36/48  00:02:33  51206kN, tb=301
>>>>>>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Lh3 Kb8 3.Lf5 Ka8
>>>>>>  +-  (4.06)  Tiefe: 37/51  00:03:37  74332kN, tb=604
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>All engines I tested (Amy, Aristarch, Crafty, Comet, Dragon, LambChop, Nejmet,
>>>>>Pepito, SOS, Tao and Yace) found a mate within a second. I tried Fritz and
>>>>>confirm Eduard's post. What's wrong with Fritz here?
>>>>
>>>>Fritz is using null move in a more aggresive way.
>>>
>>>YES then...
>>>
>>>Analysis by Fritz 5.32:
>>>
>>>1.Le6 Ka8 2.Ld7 Kb8 3.Lg4 Ka8 4.Le6 Kb8 5.Ld7 Ka8
>>>  +-  (4.78)  Tiefe: 17/21  00:00:03  86kN
>>>1.Lb7!
>>>  +-  (4.88)  Tiefe: 17/21  00:00:03  95kN
>>>1.Lb7 Lf2 2.Txh2 Ld4 3.Th6 Lf6
>>>  +-  (#8)  Tiefe: 17/36  00:00:16  9379kN
>>>
>>>!!!
>>>
>>>Eduard
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I even know about cases when it has the right move but no pv because the move
>>>>threats nothing.
>>>>
>>>>I know about no other program with that behaviour.
>>>>
>>>>Uri



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