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Subject: Re: Kramer Vs Kramer (Yace + Book against Yace + No Book = 13.5 - 6.5)

Author: martin fierz

Date: 17:14:19 08/30/02

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>>I believe that more time and better hardware can help
>>programs to avoid more traps and to expose holes
>>in the book so I expect the difference to be smaller at
>>120/40 time control with faster hardware.
>
>From my experiments, I expect the difference to be larger at longer time
>controls.   At very fast time control (e.g. G/1 or G/2 minutes) there is very
>little repeatable difference.  At G/30 and above, the difference becomes very
>clear.
>
>I have no idea why it turns out this way, because I should expect that the book
>would matter more when you cannot think about the right move very long, since
>the book moves should be pretty good, at least.

my experiments with book/non-book in checkers (usually 288 games per match) say
the same: at long time controls, the difference is larger, if i look at the
ratio of wins/losses. in checkers its hard to define what is better - would you
rather lose a 288 game match with 40-20 or with 10-0? i'd say losing 10-0 is
worse, although the difference in wins is smaller. with fast time controls, what
happens is that the error frequency of both programs is high, so even if one has
a book and regularly achieves comfortable positions, it will lose games because
it makes errors. at long time controls, checkers programs play close to perfect,
and then the program with a good book nearly never loses a game, and the
win/loss ratio goes way up.

aloha
  martin



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