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Subject: Re: Kramer Vs Kramer (Yace + Book against Yace + No Book = 13.5 - 6.5)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 17:40:51 08/30/02

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On August 30, 2002 at 18:01:02, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On August 30, 2002 at 16:21:26, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 30, 2002 at 14:45:43, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>
>>>Hello:
>>>
>>>I post now the final results for the Match Yace + My Modified Book Vs. Yace +
>>>NoBoook.
>>>
>>>I haven't  analyzed the games but the result is clear: 13.5 - 6.5 for Yace + My
>>>Modified Book.
>>
>>If not having book cause the program to lose on time then there is no doubt that
>>book help.
>>
>>Yace no book lost 2 games on time(games 9 and 12).
>>
>>one after 1.c4 and one in a clearly drawn position.
>>If we do not include the c4 game and include the second game
>>that yace(no book) lost on time as a draw
>>the result is only 12-7 for Yace with book.
>>
>>From looking at the games I found that in most of the cases yace(no book) got
>>equal position and there were only few cases when yace
>>fell into traps.
>>
>>I believe that more time and better hardware can help
>>programs to avoid more traps and to expose holes
>>in the book so I expect the difference to be smaller at
>>120/40 time control with faster hardware.
>
>From my experiments, I expect the difference to be larger at longer time
>controls.   At very fast time control (e.g. G/1 or G/2 minutes) there is very
>little repeatable difference.  At G/30 and above, the difference becomes very
>clear.

I agree that in 40 minutes/40 moves the difference is bigger than
in G/1 but my theory is that there is an optimal time control
for programs with book and slower time control improve
the situation for programs without book.

My theory is that there may be few deep holes in the book that it
takes a long time to find

At 40/40 you are not going to find them
but at longer time control you may find them.

40/40 is also better than blitz for the side with book because
of the big number of mistakes in blitz.

I was against long matches because I was afraid of repeating the
same game again and again but it did not happen in the match
yace against yace.

Uri



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