Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 17:48:26 08/31/02
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On August 30, 2002 at 11:55:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On August 29, 2002 at 22:25:50, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>The much discussed game
>>
>>Deep Blue -- Fritz
>>8. World Computer Chess Championships (5) Chinese University HKG
>>1995.05.29 0-1 B33w
>>
>>1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5
>>9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Nd5 f5 11.Bd3 Be6 12.Qh5 f4
of course communication problem or not. doesn't take away
that castling is the losing move here. g3 is much much better.
another blunder caused by communication problems is not relevant
in a lost position. the castling lost the game already simply.
beta DIEP needs less than a minute to get rid of o-o?? despite
running on background:
00:00 262 0k 0 0 21 (2) 1 (0,0) 0.939 Na3xb5 a6xb5 Bd3xb5
00:00 454 0k 0 0 50 (2) 1 (0,0) 0.998 O-O-O
00:00 800 1k 0 0 120 (2) 2 (0,5) -0.498 O-O-O Nc6-d4
++ a3-b5
00:00 878 1k 0 0 202 (2) 2 (0,7) 0.939 Na3xb5 a6xb5 Bd3xb5
00:00 3471 3k 0 0 972 (2) 3 (0,55) 0.939 Na3xb5 a6xb5 Bd3xb5
00:00 10582 11k 0 0 3598 (2) 4 (1,106) -1.500 Na3xb5 a6xb5 O-O Nc6-d4
++ e1-c1
00:00 13372 13k 0 0 5884 (2) 4 (3,116) 0.343 O-O-O Be6xd5 e4xd5 Nc6-b4 Bd3xh7
Nb4xa2 Kc1-d2
++ e1-g1
00:00 14973 15k 0 0 8385 (2) 4 (4,130) 0.498 O-O Be6xd5 e4xd5 Nc6-b4
00:00 24761 25k 0 0 16095 (2) 5 (6,193) 0.948 O-O Be6xd5 e4xd5 Nc6-b4 Bd3-e4
00:00 43098 43k 0 0 40944 (2) 6 (12,303) 0.817 O-O Rh8-g8 Qh5xh7 Rg8-g7 Qh7-h5
Nc6-d4
00:03 71058 71k 0 0 230940 (2) 7 (39,551) 0.755 O-O h7-h6 c2-c3 Rh8-g8 Na3xb5
a6xb5 Bd3xb5
00:09 90278 90k 0 0 817017 (2) 8 (76,990) 0.142 O-O h7-h6 h2-h3 Be6xd5 e4xd5 N
c6-b4 Bd3-e4 Rh8-g8
00:25 115008 115k 0 0 2946515 (2) 9 (148,1659) 0.206 O-O h7-h6 h2-h3 Rh8-g8 c2-c
3 Rg8-g5 Qh5-f3 Be6xd5 e4xd5
00:52 126908 127k 0 0 6649989 (2) 10 (325,3074) 0.275 O-O h7-h6 c2-c3 Rh8-g8 h2-
h3 Be6xd5 e4xd5 Nc6-e7 Bd3-e4 Rg8-g5 Qh5-e2 f7-f5
++ g2-g3
01:25 135712 136k 0 0 11550480 (2) 10 (445,3720) 0.317 g2-g3 h7-h6 g3xf4 Rh8-g8
Bd3-e2 e5xf4 O-O-O Nc6-e5 Nd5xf4 Be6xa2 b2-b3
02:17 137275 137k 0 0 18937131 (2) 11 (741,5635) 0.511 g2-g3 h7-h6 c2-c3 Rh8-g8
Qh5-e2 Be6-g4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 O-O-O Be6xd5 e4xd5
>>13.O-O?? Rg8 14.Kh1 Rg6 15.Qd1 Rc8
>>{
>>[D] 2rqkb2/5p1p/p1npb1r1/1p1Np3/4Pp2/N2B4/PPP2PPP/R2Q1R1K w - -
>>
>>Although the game may already be lost with the infamous 13. O-O? , I also find
>>16. c4 ? to be a curiosity - is there any program that plays 16. c4 which allows
>>16. ...Qh4!.
>>}
>>
>>
>>16.c4 Qh4 17.g3 Qh3 18.Qd2 f3 19.Rg1 Rh6 20.Qxh6 Qxh6 21.cxb5 Bxd5 22.exd5 Nb4
>>23.Bf5 Rc5 24.bxa6 Nxa6 25.Nc2 Qd2 26.Ne1 Rxd5 27.Nxf3 Qxf2 28.Be4 Ra5 29.Rg2
>>Qe3 30.Re1 Qh6 31.Bc6+ Kd8 32.a3 f5 33.Rc2 Rc5 34.Rxc5 Nxc5 35.Rf1 Be7 36.a4 f4
>>37.gxf4 Qxf4 38.Rg1 Nxa4 39.b4 Qxb4 0-1
>>
>>Crafty 17.16 SE analysis after 16. c4
>>
>>White(1): 2rqkb2/5p1p/p1npb1r1/1p1Np3/2P1Pp2/N2B4/PP3PPP/R2Q1R1K b - c3
>>Black(1): go
>> clearing hash tables
>> time surplus 0.00 time limit 100:00 (100:00)
>> nss depth time score variation (1)
>> 1-> 0.00 -0.20 1. ... Qg5 2. Qf3 Bxd5 3. exd5
>> 2 0.00 -0.20 1. ... Qg5 2. Qf3 Bxd5 3. exd5
>> 2-> 0.01 -0.20 1. ... Qg5 2. Qf3 Bxd5 3. exd5
>> 3 0.04 0.01 1. ... Qg5 2. Rg1 b4 3. Nc2 Bxd5 4.
>> cxd5
>> 3-> 0.06 0.01 1. ... Qg5 2. Rg1 b4 3. Nc2 Bxd5 4.
>> cxd5
>> 4 0.06 0.01 1. ... Qg5 2. Rg1 b4 3. Nc2 Bxd5 4.
>> cxd5
>> 4-> 0.09 0.01 1. ... Qg5 2. Rg1 b4 3. Nc2 Bxd5 4.
>> cxd5
>> 5 0.17 -0.13 1. ... Qg5 2. Rg1 Rh6 3. g3 Bxd5 4.
>> exd5 bxc4 5. Nxc4
>> 5-> 0.21 -0.13 1. ... Qg5 2. Rg1 Rh6 3. g3 Bxd5 4.
>> exd5 bxc4 5. Nxc4
>> 6 0.67 -0.14 1. ... Qg5 2. g3 fxg3 3. fxg3 Bg4 4.
>> Be2 Bh3 5. Rf2 bxc4 6. Nxc4
>> 6-> 0.76 -0.14 1. ... Qg5 2. g3 fxg3 3. fxg3 Bg4 4.
>> Be2 Bh3 5. Rf2 bxc4 6. Nxc4
>> 7 1.39 -0.05 1. ... Qg5 2. g3 fxg3 3. fxg3 Bg4 4.
>> Be2 Bxe2 5. Qxe2 Nd4
>> 7-> 1.57 -0.05 1. ... Qg5 2. g3 fxg3 3. fxg3 Bg4 4.
>> Be2 Bxe2 5. Qxe2 Nd4
>> 8 2.70 -0.14 1. ... Qg5 2. g3 fxg3 3. fxg3 Bg4 4.
>> Be2 Bh3 5. Rf2 bxc4 6. Nxc4
>> 8 6.79 ++ 1. ... Qh4!!
>> 8 11.89 1.55 1. ... Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Rh6 4.
>> Qg2 Qxg2+ 5. Kxg2 Bh3+ 6. Kg1 Bxf1
>> 7. Rxf1
>> 8-> 11.89 1.55 1. ... Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Rh6 4.
>> Qg2 Qxg2+ 5. Kxg2 Bh3+ 6. Kg1 Bxf1
>> 7. Rxf1
>> 9 15.00 1.54 1. ... Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Rh6 4.
>> Qg2 Qxg2+ 5. Kxg2 Bh3+ 6. Kg1 Bxf1
>> 7. Rxf1 b4
>> 9-> 15.51 1.54 1. ... Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Rh6 4.
>> Qg2 Qxg2+ 5. Kxg2 Bh3+ 6. Kg1 Bxf1
>> 7. Rxf1 b4
>> 10 21.87 1.49 1. ... Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Rh6 4.
>> Qg2 Qxg2+ 5. Kxg2 Bh3+ 6. Kg1 Bxf1
>> 7. Rxf1 fxg3 8. hxg3
>> 10-> 24.57 1.49 1. ... Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Rh6 4.
>> Qg2 Qxg2+ 5. Kxg2 Bh3+ 6. Kg1 Bxf1
>> 7. Rxf1 fxg3 8. hxg3
>> 11 43.46 1.61 1. ... Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Bg4 4.
>> Qg2 Qh5 5. f3 Bh3 6. Qd2 Bxf1 7. Rxf1
>> fxg3 8. cxb5 axb5 9. Nxb5 gxh2 10.
>> Qxh2
>> 11-> 47.00 1.61 1. ... Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Bg4 4.
>> Qg2 Qh5 5. f3 Bh3 6. Qd2 Bxf1 7. Rxf1
>> fxg3 8. cxb5 axb5 9. Nxb5 gxh2 10.
>> Qxh2
>> 12 1:32 1.89 1. ... Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Bg4 4.
>> Qg2 Qh5 5. f3 Bh3 6. Qe2 Bxf1 7. Rxf1
>> Rxg3 8. cxb5
>> (2) 12-> 2:28 1.89 1. ... Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Bg4 4.
>> Qg2 Qh5 5. f3 Bh3 6. Qe2 Bxf1 7. Rxf1
>> Rxg3 8. cxb5
>>
>>==========================================================================
>> Crafty SE 17.16 analysis after 15. ...Rc8 16.f3 or 16. g3 seem to offer
>>stronger resistance
>>
>>[D] 2rqkb2/5p1p/p1npb1r1/1p1Np3/4Pp2/N2B4/PPP2PPP/R2Q1R1K w - -
>>
>>White(1): go
>> clearing hash tables
>> time surplus 0.00 time limit 100:00 (100:00)
>> nss depth time score variation (1)
>> 2 0.00 -1.32 1. Kg1 Bh3 2. g3 Bxf1 3. Bxf1 fxg3
>> 4. hxg3
>> 2 0.00 ++ 1. Be2!!
>> 2 0.00 0.19 1. Be2 Qg5 2. Bf3 Bxd5 3. Qxd5
>> 2-> 0.02 0.19 1. Be2 Qg5 2. Bf3 Bxd5 3. Qxd5
>> 3 0.02 0.08 1. Be2 Qg5 2. Bf3 Bg7
>> 3 0.03 0.11 1. Qh5 b4 2. Nc4 Bxd5 3. exd5
>> (2) 3-> 0.05 0.15 1. Re1 Qg5 2. Qf3 Bg4
>> 4 0.06 0.04 1. Re1 Qg5 2. Bf1 Bg4 3. Qd3
>> 4 0.08 0.09 1. Be2 Qg5 2. Rg1 Nd4 3. Bh5
>> (2) 4-> 0.10 0.09 1. Be2 Qg5 2. Rg1 Nd4 3. Bh5
>> 5 0.11 0.02 1. Be2 Qg5 2. Rg1 Bxd5 3. Qxd5 Bg7
>> (4) 5-> 0.24 0.02 1. Be2 Qg5 2. Rg1 Bxd5 3. Qxd5 Bg7
>> (3) 6 0.30 -0.19 1. Be2 Qg5 2. Bf3 Nd4 3. Re1 Bxd5 4.
>> exd5
>> (2) 6 0.49 -0.12 1. c4 Qg5 2. Rg1 Qh4 3. Rf1 Rh6 4.
>> h3 Bxd5 5. exd5
>> 6-> 0.78 -0.12 1. c4 Qg5 2. Rg1 Qh4 3. Rf1 Rh6 4.
>> h3 Bxd5 5. exd5
>> 7 0.97 -0.07 1. c4 Qg5 2. Rg1 Qh4 3. Rf1 b4 4. g3
>> fxg3 5. fxg3
>> (3) 7-> 1.67 -0.07 1. c4 Qg5 2. Rg1 Qh4 3. Rf1 b4 4. g3
>> fxg3 5. fxg3
>> 8 4.41 -- 1. c4
>> (2) 8 5.27 -0.69 1. c4 Qh4 2. cxb5 Rh6 3. Nf6+ Kd8 4.
>> h3 f3 5. bxc6 fxg2+ 6. Kxg2 Bxh3+ 7.
>> Kg1 Bxf1
>> 8 9.19 -0.30 1. Qd2 Qh4 2. f3 Bg7 3. Kg1 Kf8 4.
>> Rae1 Kg8 5. Be2
>> 8 11.31 -0.21 1. Re1 Qh4 2. Kg1 Nd4 3. c3 Qh3 4.
>> g3 Bxd5 5. exd5
>> (3) 8-> 12.94 -0.21 1. Re1 Qh4 2. Kg1 Nd4 3. c3 Qh3 4.
>> g3 Bxd5 5. exd5
>> 9 13.92 -- 1. Re1
>> (2) 9 16.77 -1.24 1. Re1 Qh4 2. Kg1 Nd4 3. Be2 Bh3 4.
>> Bf1 f3 5. Ne3 Qxe4
>> 9 17.13 ++ 1. Qd2!!
>> 9 37.08 -0.35 1. g3 fxg3 2. fxg3 Nd4 3. c3 Bg4 4.
>> Qd2 Bf3+ 5. Kg1 Bh6 6. Qf2
>> 9 47.50 -0.31 1. f3 Qh4 2. Qe1 Qg5 3. Qf2 Be7 4.
>> Rae1 Nd4 5. Kg1 Bh3
>> (2) 9-> 50.02 -0.31 1. f3 Qh4 2. Qe1 Qg5 3. Qf2 Be7 4.
>> Rae1 Nd4 5. Kg1 Bh3
>> 10 1:08 -0.26 1. f3 Qg5 2. Qd2 Rh6 3. Kg1 Qh4 4.
>> h3 Rg6 5. Nb6 Rb8 6. Nd5 Bxd5 7. exd5
>> 10 1:15 2/36* 1. g3
>>
>>===========================================================================
>>
>>Force analysis on 16. c4?
>>
>>
>>White(1): search c4
>>White(1): go
>> time surplus 0.00 time limit 100:00 (100:00)
>> nss depth time score variation (1)
>> 5 0.00 -0.32 1. c4 Qg5 2. g3 fxg3 <HT>
>> 5-> 0.00 -0.32 1. c4 Qg5 2. g3 fxg3 <HT>
>> 6 0.00 -0.32 1. c4 Qg5 2. g3 fxg3 <HT>
>> 6-> 0.00 -0.32 1. c4 Qg5 2. g3 fxg3 <HT>
>> 7 0.02 -0.32 1. c4 Qg5 2. g3 fxg3 <HT>
>> 7-> 0.02 -0.32 1. c4 Qg5 2. g3 fxg3 <HT>
>> 8 0.95 -- 1. c4
>> 8 1.05 -0.69 1. c4 Qh4 2. cxb5 Rh6 3. Nf6+ Kd8 4.
>> h3 f3 5. bxc6 fxg2+ 6. Kxg2 Bxh3+ 7.
>> Kg1 Bxf1
>> 8-> 1.05 -0.69 1. c4 Qh4 2. cxb5 Rh6 3. Nf6+ Kd8 4.
>> h3 f3 5. bxc6 fxg2+ 6. Kxg2 Bxh3+ 7.
>> Kg1 Bxf1
>> 9 3.03 -- 1. c4
>> 9 10.80 -1.55 1. c4 Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Rh6 4. Qg2
>> Qxg2+ 5. Kxg2 Bh3+ 6. Kg1 Bxf1 7. Rxf1
>> 9-> 10.80 -1.55 1. c4 Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Rh6 4. Qg2
>> Qxg2+ 5. Kxg2 Bh3+ 6. Kg1 Bxf1 7. Rxf1
>> 10 14.49 -1.54 1. c4 Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Rh6 4. Qg2
>> Qxg2+ 5. Kxg2 Bh3+ 6. Kg1 Bxf1 7. Rxf1
>> b4
>> 10-> 14.49 -1.54 1. c4 Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Rh6 4. Qg2
>> Qxg2+ 5. Kxg2 Bh3+ 6. Kg1 Bxf1 7. Rxf1
>> b4
>> 11 23.28 -1.49 1. c4 Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Rh6 4. Qg2
>> Qxg2+ 5. Kxg2 Bh3+ 6. Kg1 Bxf1 7. Rxf1
>> fxg3 8. hxg3
>> 11-> 23.28 -1.49 1. c4 Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Rh6 4. Qg2
>> Qxg2+ 5. Kxg2 Bh3+ 6. Kg1 Bxf1 7. Rxf1
>> fxg3 8. hxg3
>> 12 39.97 -- 1. c4
>> 12 2:46 -2.00 1. c4 Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Bg4 4. Qg2
>> Qh5 5. Nb6 Bf3 6. Nxc8 fxg3 7. fxg3
>> Bxg2+ 8. Kxg2
>> 12-> 2:46 -2.00 1. c4 Qh4 2. g3 Qh3 3. Qf3 Bg4 4. Qg2
>> Qh5 5. Nb6 Bf3 6. Nxc8 fxg3 7. fxg3
>> Bxg2+ 8. Kxg2
>>
>>===========================================================================
>>
>>so after only 2 minutes on a micro search, maybe 1M nps, Crafty SE 17.16 sees
>>16. c4 is not looking so well ...the DB prototype. seeing 3-5M nps did not see
>>this coming?
>
>
>The problem, as is well-known, was that they had a communication crash during
>this game. And once they noticed and got everything set back up, Deep Thought
>was left with little time on the clock to do the search.
>
>I've mentioned more than a couple of times this happened to me in ACM events...
>
>It comes with the territory of accessing a machine remotely, on a brand new
>network (was just set up in Hong Kong that week and had significant but unknown
>problems).
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