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Subject: Re: Chessmaster 9000 New opening book ......HOLES?? Please look!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:23:39 09/02/02

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On September 02, 2002 at 07:16:59, Marc van Hal wrote:

>On September 01, 2002 at 16:58:22, Terry Ripple wrote:
>
>>On September 01, 2002 at 13:19:00, Stuzzi Kadent wrote:
>>
>>>On September 01, 2002 at 13:10:43, robert flesher wrote:
>>>
>>>>[Event ""]
>>>>[Site ""]
>>>>[Date "2002.9.2"]
>>>>[Round ""]
>>>>[White "BOB"]
>>>>[Black "Chessmaster"]
>>>>[TimeControl "300+5"]
>>>>[Result 1-0] Played on a 1.6ghz P4
>>>>
>>>>1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bc4 e6 7.Bb3 Nbd7 8.f4
>>>>Nc5 9.O-O Ncxe4 10.Nxe4 Nxe4 11.f5 e5 12.Qh5 d5 13.Re1 Bc5 14.Rxe4 O-O
>>>>15.Rg4 Bxd4+ 16.Kh1 e4 17.Bg5 Qd7 18.Rf1 Qb5 19.Rgf4 Bxb2 20.a4 Qa5
>>>>21.Be7 Re8 22.f6 Bxf6 23.Bxf6 gxf6 24.Rxf6 Be6 25.Rxe6 Rxe6 26.Qxf7+ Kh8
>>>>27.Qxe6 Qc3 28.Bxd5 e3 29.g3 e2 30.Qxe2 Qd4 31.Bxb7 Rg8 32.Qxa6 Rg6
>>>>33.Qb5 1-0
>>>>   Hi all i just got back from holidays.:) I was happy to find that chessmaster
>>>>had been  released here in Canada. I am greatly impressed with this new piece of
>>>>software. I have played about 50 games at 5min 5sec increments. The score is not
>>>>good for me :). However! i decided to try playing some off beat, sharper lines
>>>>that i have studied exstensively. This is the Lipinsky attack. I was not shocked
>>>>that Chessmaster played into this line, however is WAS shocked to see it play
>>>>all the BAD or dubious moves. This could be a reason why Chessmaster still does
>>>>not place as well as other commercials. In engine strength it is clearly as
>>>>strong, or close to the top engines, but a book with Holes? CAN! and WILL! be
>>>>preyed upon by other engines. Overall i love this software and it was worth the
>>>>50bucks i paid for it. Cheers~!
>>>
>>>Ed Schroeder says he gave up on computer tournaments because they depend now so
>>>heavily on exploiting knowledge of the opponents' opening books.
>>>BUT- I am concerned if a program has a small or poor book. How many moves or
>>>positions are claimed for this one?
>>-------------------------------
>>Wouldn't it be most interesting to see the results if they would start having
>>tournaments where a Chess program couldn't use an opening book, but instead
>>would have to rely on itself to find the best moves! This way a programmer would
>>be forced to try and improve their engine in the area of one of their most
>>vulnerable weakness. (the Opening)
>>
>>Regards,
>>      Terry
>
>This could be good but for now chessprograms are not good enough in openings
>play to do so
>Remember that 1d4.d5 2.c4 will not be played because it thinks it looses
>material.

No

1.d4 d5 2.c4 does not lose material so it can be played.
White can get the pawn back by e3 or Qa4+ so programs may play 2.c4.

Uri



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