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Subject: Re: Fritz 7 Analysis for over 12 hours > Still likes Qh5+ (good move)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 00:27:49 09/03/02

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On September 03, 2002 at 03:11:13, Terry Ripple wrote:

>On September 03, 2002 at 02:13:32, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On September 02, 2002 at 19:43:39, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>
>>>On September 02, 2002 at 14:13:18, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 02, 2002 at 14:07:18, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 02, 2002 at 13:12:39, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 02, 2002 at 00:56:19, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[D]r2q1r1k/p2bb3/1pn1p1Q1/4P3/2pP4/2P5/P4PPP/1RB2RK1 w - - 0 19
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>best move is Re1!!, which Brutus played in tournament level
>>>>>>>(Qh5+ seems to lead to draw)
>>>>>>>in my AMD 450 Mhz no program finds Re1 in 1 hour (Goliath 3.6 took 61 min)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jouni
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm pretty sure Fritz 7 wouldn't find it in under an hour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here's a quick analysis:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1.Re1!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   [or 1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qxg8+ Rxg8 6.f4 +-]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1...Be8 2.Qh6+ Kg8 3.Re3 Nxe5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   [3...Bh4 4.Re4 Bxf2+ 5.Kh1 Nxe5 6.Rxe5 Bxd4 7.Rg5+ Qxg5 8.Bxg5 Bg7
>>>>>>    9.Qxe6+ Bf7 10.Qg4 +-]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>4.Qxe6+ Rf7 5.Rg3+ Kh8 6.Bf4 Nf3+ 7.gxf3 Bf6 8.Be5 +-
>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>I'am only using an AMD 266 Mhz with 64 Ram! I let Fritz run for almost 4 hours
>>>>>which should simulate a faster (1,000 Mhz) processor running around 1 hour.
>>>>>
>>>>>Fritz 7 didn't find "Re1", but the line it uses wins back a Rook and the passed
>>>>>pawns on the Kingside look dangerous for Black in the ending if played correctly
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>      Terry
>>>>>
>>>>> New position
>>>>>r2q1r1k/p2bb3/1pn1p1Q1/4P3/2pP4/2P5/P4PPP/1RB2RK1 w - - 0 1
>>>>>
>>>>>Analysis by Fritz 7:
>>>>>
>>>>>1.Qh5+
>>>>>  ±  (1.38)   depth: 7/24   00:00:00  31kN
>>>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Bf6 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Bxf8 Bxe5 5.Qh5+ Kg8
>>>>>  +-  (1.41)   depth: 8/19   00:00:00  60kN
>>>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Bf6 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Bxf8 Bxe5 5.Qh5+ Kg8 6.dxe5 Qxf8
>>>>>  +-  (1.41)   depth: 9/23   00:00:01  140kN
>>>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qh5 Be8 6.Qh3 Bg6
>>>>>  +-  (1.41)   depth: 10/23   00:00:03  341kN
>>>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qf3 Qg6 6.Qh3 Kg8 7.f4
>>>>>  ±  (1.16)   depth: 11/27   00:00:09  1053kN
>>>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qf3 Qg6 6.Qh3 Kg8
>>>>>  ±  (1.16)   depth: 12/33   00:00:33  3846kN
>>>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qf3 Qh7 6.Be3
>>>>>  ±  (1.10)   depth: 13/36   00:03:49  25279kN
>>>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qxg8+
>>>>>  ±  (1.10)   depth: 14/36   00:08:29  57986kN
>>>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qxg8+
>>>>>  ±  (1.07)   depth: 15/39   00:23:03  161173kN
>>>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qxg8+
>>>>>  ±  (1.04)   depth: 16/43   01:22:05  574067kN
>>>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qxg8+
>>>>>  ±  (0.97)   depth: 17/45   03:41:49  1573278kN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The line you give is identical to the line I showed in the first variation.  It
>>>>is a perfectly good line and should also win the game.  Too bad this position
>>>>didn't have just a single winning line.
>>>-------------------------------------------
>>>Searching for over 12 hours Fritz 7 still says that Qh5+ is a good move and i
>>>also believe that it's a good move!
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>      Terry
>>>
>>>New position
>>>r2q1r1k/p2bb3/1pn1p1Q1/4P3/2pP4/2P5/P4PPP/1RB2RK1 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Analysis by Fritz 7:
>>>
>>>1.Qh5+
>>>  ±  (1.38)   depth: 7/24   00:00:00  31kN
>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Bf6 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Bxf8 Bxe5 5.Qh5+ Kg8
>>>  +-  (1.41)   depth: 8/19   00:00:00  60kN
>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Bf6 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Bxf8 Bxe5 5.Qh5+ Kg8 6.dxe5 Qxf8
>>>  +-  (1.41)   depth: 9/23   00:00:01  140kN
>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qh5 Be8 6.Qh3 Bg6
>>>  +-  (1.41)   depth: 10/23   00:00:03  341kN
>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qf3 Qg6 6.Qh3 Kg8 7.f4
>>>  ±  (1.16)   depth: 11/27   00:00:09  1053kN
>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qf3 Qg6 6.Qh3 Kg8
>>>  ±  (1.16)   depth: 12/33   00:00:33  3846kN
>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qf3 Qh7 6.Be3
>>>  ±  (1.10)   depth: 13/36   00:03:49  25279kN
>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qxg8+
>>>  ±  (1.10)   depth: 14/36   00:08:29  57986kN
>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qxg8+
>>>  ±  (1.07)   depth: 15/39   00:23:03  161173kN
>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qxg8+
>>>  ±  (1.04)   depth: 16/43   01:22:05  574067kN
>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qxg8+
>>>  ±  (0.97)   depth: 17/45   03:41:49  1573278kN
>>>1.Qh5+ Kg8 2.Bh6 Rf7 3.Qg6+ Kh8 4.Qxf7 Qg8 5.Qxg8+
>>>  ±  (0.97)   depth: 18/49   12:38:51  5448205kN
>>
>>No
>>
>>Fritz does not believe that Qh5+ is a good move.
>>
>>1.41/10
>>1.16/11
>>1.16/12
>>1.10/13
>>1.10/14
>>1.07/15
>>1.04/16
>>0.97/17
>>0.97/18
>>
>>You see that the score is always goes down.
>>
>>0.97 does not mean winning and is often a draw.
>>
>>I doubt if Qh5+ is winning.
>>
>>Uri
>-----------------
>Hi Uri,
>This move certainly has equal chances if not a slight plus for White due to the
>passed pawns on the kingside!
>
>I would take White over the Black side any time!
>
>Regards,
>      Terry

Slight plus means that I doubt if it wins when there seem to be no doubt that
Re1 is winning.

Uri




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