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Subject: Re: test positions, white begin and draw(can you find all the solutions?)

Author: John Merlino

Date: 08:43:11 09/03/02

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On September 03, 2002 at 09:29:24, Uri Blass wrote:

>I am going to put the following positions in my test suite(they seem to be easy
>for the top programs but not easy without the relevant knowledge)
>
>Can you find all the solutions?
>I give a list of candidate moves and I am almost sure that the solutions are
>only from the candidate moves.
>
>[D]8/8/3R2p1/1qb4p/8/p5P1/1pk2P1P/4Q1K1 w - - 0 76
>
>candidate moves:Rd8,Qe4,Qd1+
>
>Movei played Rd2+ that is a losing move.
>
>possible line 76.Rd8 g5 77.Qd1+ Kc3 78.Qf3+ Kb4 79.Qe4+ Kb3 80.Qe6+ Ka4 81.Qe4+
>Qb4 82.Qc2+ Ka5 83.Ra8+ Kb5 84.Qd3+ Qc4 85.Rb8+ Bb6 86.Rxb6+ Kxb6 87.Qxc4 b1Q+
>88.Kg2 and it seems that white can draw by perpetual check.

Chessmaster, on a PIII-733, chooses Qe4+ in less than one second, but switches
to Rd8 after 3:24, but it does not show anything close to a drawing score:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	-2.19	6248		76.Qd1+ Kc3 77.Qe1+ Kb3 78.Qe6+
					Qc4 79.Rd3+ Kb4 80.Qe1+ Ka4
0:00	1/3	-2.09	9524		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Rd2 Qc4 78.Qxg6
0:00	1/3	-1.97	10258		76.Rd2+ Kb3 77.Qb1 Qc4
0:00	1/4	-2.19	20192		76.Rd2+ Kc3 77.Rd7+ Kb3 78.Qe6+
					Qc4 79.Rd3+ Kb4 80.Qe1+ Ka4
0:00	1/4	-1.83	25984		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Qc4 78.Rd3+
					Kb4 79.Qe1+ Kb5 80.Qe8+ Ka5 81.Qa8+
					Qa6
0:00	1/5	-1.83	49824		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Qc4 78.Rd3+
					Kb4 79.Qe1+ Kb5 80.Qe8+ Ka5 81.Qa8+
					Qa6
0:01	1/6	-1.42	115391		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Kb4 78.Qe1+
					Ka4 79.Qe4+ Qb4 80.Qe8+ Kb3 81.Qe6+
					Kc2 82.Qxg6+ Kb3
0:02	1/7	-1.39	198838		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Kb4 78.Qe1+
					Ka4 79.Qe4+ Qb4 80.Qe8+ Kb3 81.Qe6+
					Kc2 82.Qxg6+ Kb3 83.Qe6+ Qc4 84.Rd3+
					Kb4
0:05	1/8	-1.59	481834		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+
					Qb4 79.Qe8+ Kb3 80.Qe6+ Kc2 81.Qxg6+
					Kc1 82.Qg5+ Kb1 83.Rd1+ Ka2 84.Qd5+
					Qb3
0:15	2/9	-1.80	1522190		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+
					Qb4 79.Qe8+ Kb3 80.Qe6+ Kc2 81.Qe2+
					Kb1 82.Rd1+ Ka2 83.Qc2 g5 84.Qb1+
					Kb3 85.Rd5 Qb6
0:48	3/10	-1.79	4721469		76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+
					Qb4 79.Qe8+ Kb3 80.Qe6+ Kc2 81.Qe2+
					Kb1 82.Rd1+ Ka2 83.Qc2 h4 84.Qb1+
					Kb3 85.Rd3+ Ka4 86.Qd1+ Ka5 87.Rb3
					Qe4
1:40	4/11	-2.05	10200620	76.Qe4+ Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+
					Qb4 79.Qe8+ Kb3 80.Qe6+ Kc2 81.Qe2+
					Kb1 82.Rd1+ Ka2 83.Qc2 Bd4 84.Qb1+
					Kb3 85.Rd3+ Bc3 86.Rd8 h4 87.Ra8
					hxg3 88.hxg3
3:24	4/11	-1.90	19651309	76.Rd8 Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+
					Qb4 79.Qc2+ Kb5 80.Qd3+ Qc4 81.Rb8+
					Bb6 82.Qd7+ Qc6 83.Qd3+ Kb4 84.h4
					Qb5 85.Qe4+ Kb3 86.Qe6+ Kc3
7:19	5/12	-1.90	41380792	76.Rd8 Kb3 77.Qe6+ Ka4 78.Qe4+
					Qb4 79.Qc2+ Kb5 80.Qd3+ Qc4 81.Qd7+
					Ka5 82.Qb7 Qb5 83.Qa8+ Qa6 84.Qe4
					Bxf2+ 85.Kg2 Bc5 86.Rb8 Bb6

>[D]8/P3R3/8/3p4/3kpK2/8/8/r7 w - - 0 62 bm Rb7,?
>
>Movei played Kg4 that lost.
>
>candidate moves:Rb7,Rc7,Rd7,Rf7,Rg7,Rh7
>

I remember this position from an earlier post. CM chooses Rb7, but the score is
only vaguely drawish:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	-0.80	1084		62.Rd7 e3 63.Kf3
0:00	1/4	-0.64	3457		62.Rd7 Rf1+ 63.Kg3 Rg1+ 64.Kf2
					Ra1 65.Re7
0:00	1/5	-0.74	9303		62.Rd7 Rf1+ 63.Kg3 Rg1+ 64.Kf2
					Ra1 65.Ke2 Ra2+ 66.Kd1
0:00	2/6	-0.70	31879		62.Rd7 Ra2 63.Rg7 Kd3 64.Rg3+ Kc4
					65.Rg7 Ra1
0:00	2/6	-0.65	47070		62.Rb7 Kd3 63.Rb3+ Kc2 64.Rb7 Ra3
					65.Rd7
0:01	3/7	-0.67	77332		62.Rb7 Ra3 63.Re7 Kc5 64.Rb7 Kc6
					65.Re7
0:01	4/8	-0.68	136614		62.Rb7 Kc5 63.Re7 Kb6 64.Rd7 Rxa7
					65.Rxd5 Re7 66.Ke3
0:04	5/9	-0.77	328179		62.Rb7 Kc5 63.Re7 Ra3 64.Ke5 Ra5
					65.Rd7 Kb6 66.Kd4 Rxa7 67.Rxd5
0:07	6/10	-0.72	621847		62.Rb7 Kc5 63.Re7 Ra3 64.Ke5 e3
					65.Kf4 d4 66.Kf3 Ra1
0:13	7/11	-0.69	1239078		62.Rb7 Kc5 63.Re7 Ra3 64.Rh7 Kb6
					65.Rd7 Kc6 66.Rh7 Kd6 67.Rg7
0:36	8/12	-0.63	3751010		62.Rb7 Kc5 63.Re7 Ra3 64.Rh7 Kb6
					65.Rd7 Rxa7 66.Rxd5 Re7 67.Ke3
					Re6 68.Rd1
1:11	9/13	-0.67	7592056		62.Rb7 Kc5 63.Re7 Ra3 64.Rh7 Kb6
					65.Rd7 Rxa7 66.Rxd5 Re7 67.Ke3
					Re6 68.Rd1 Kc5
2:25	10/14	-0.67	16055322	62.Rb7 Kc5 63.Rc7+ Kb6 64.Rd7 Kc6
					65.Re7 Kd6 66.Rf7 Ra2 67.Ke3 Kc6
					68.Rh7 Kb6 69.Rd7 Ra3+ 70.Ke2 Rxa7
					71.Rxd5
8:03	11/15	-0.81	54539351	62.Rb7 Ra3 63.Rb4+ Kc5 64.Rb7 e3
					65.a8=Q Rxa8 66.Kxe3 d4+ 67.Ke4
					Re8+ 68.Kd3 Re3+ 69.Kd2 Rh3 70.Rd7
					Kc4 71.Rc7+ Kd5 72.Rd7+ Ke4

jm



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