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Subject: Re: More on the "bad math" after an important email...

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 15:24:08 09/03/02

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On September 03, 2002 at 17:41:21, George Sobala wrote:

>Seems a reasonable explanation. I must say that the speedup table does look
>perfectly genuine (i.e. no tell-tale fingerprints of having been "made up".)
>


As I said, that is _the_ part of the data that we are certain was totally
correct.  Trying to extrapolate nodes searched was, to me, totally pointless.
But referees are referees.  And I gave 'em the data, which I might add, really
was very accurate.  But it was based on the time each cpu was busy, which means
100% correlation to speedups and times, since they are all related.



>On September 03, 2002 at 17:30:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>snip
>
>>
>>So, perhaps the data has some questionable aspects to it.  The only part that
>>I am _certain_ is "raw data" is the individual speedup values, because that is
>>what we were looking at specifically.  I had not remembered the node count
>>problem until this email came in and then I remembered a case where Vincent
>>was trying to prove something about crafty and got node counts suggesting that
>>it should have gotten a > 2.0 speedup.  I had pointed out that the way I do
>>nodes, it is impossible to produce them anywhere except when all processors are
>>idle, if you want an accurate number.  I _should_ have remembered that we had
>>the same problem back then.  I am therefore afraid that the times might have
>>been computed in the same way since it would have been quite natural to do
>>so...
>>
>
>snip
>
>>But the bottom line is "trust the speedup numbers explicitly".  And if you
>>trust them, the others can be directly derived from them.
>>Bob



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