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Subject: Re: A Tough One.

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 11:38:21 09/04/02

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On September 03, 2002 at 20:51:58, Mike Byrne wrote:

>On September 03, 2002 at 20:00:53, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>On September 03, 2002 at 19:35:06, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On September 03, 2002 at 18:59:54, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>
>>>>[D]4rrk1/p4p2/1b1Q1n1p/4n1p1/3pb3/1P2P1PN/PB1R1P1P/3R2K1 b - - 0 23
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Can you find Re6?  And it wins, not draws!!
>>>
>>>Chessmaster 9000, on a humble PIII-600, finds it in 3:16. However, it was pretty
>>>happy with Nf3+ before that, so it might also win...
>>>
>>>23... Nf3+
>>>24. Kf1 (forced) Nxh2+
>>>25. Ke1 Re6 (NOW Re6)
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>0:00	1/3	0.32	2563		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Re6 25.Qb4 Nxd2+
>>>					26.Qxd2
>>>0:00	1/4	0.15	5091		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxd2+ 25.Rxd2
>>>					Re6 26.Qb4 dxe3
>>>0:00	1/4	0.11	5812		23...Re6 24.Qb4 a5 25.Qb5 Nf3+
>>>					26.Kf1 Nxd2+ 27.Rxd2 dxe3
>>>0:00	1/5	0.11	11260		23...Re6 24.Qb4 a5 25.Qb5 Nf3+
>>>					26.Kf1 Nxd2+ 27.Rxd2 dxe3
>>>0:00	1/5	-0.04	17932		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke2 Bf3+
>>>					26.Kd3 Re6 27.Qb4 dxe3
>>>0:00	1/6	-0.37	40593		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke2 Re6
>>>					26.Qb4 dxe3 27.fxe3 Bf3+ 28.Kd3
>>>					Bxd1 29.Rxd1 Rxe3+ 30.Kc2 Rxg3
>>>					31.Bxf6 Rxh3
>>>0:02	1/7	-0.56	167791		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke1 Nf3+
>>>					26.Ke2 Re6 27.Qa3 Nxd2 28.Rxd2 Bf5
>>>0:06	1/8	-0.73	436350		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke1 Re6
>>>					26.Qb4 Nf3+ 27.Kf1 Nxd2+ 28.Qxd2
>>>					dxe3 29.fxe3 Ng4
>>>0:18	1/9	-0.73	1396122		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke1 Re6
>>>					26.Qb4 Nf3+ 27.Kf1 Nxd2+ 28.Qxd2
>>>					Bf5 29.Ng1 dxe3
>>>0:50	1/10	-1.01	3985604		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke1 Re6
>>>					26.Qb4 Nf3+ 27.Ke2 Nxd2 28.Rxd2
>>>					dxe3 29.fxe3 Nd5 30.Qc4 Nxe3
>>>2:42	2/11	-1.06	13031332	23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke1 Re6
>>>					26.Qb4 Nf3+ 27.Ke2 Nxd2 28.Qxd2
>>>					Bf5 29.Ng1 dxe3 30.fxe3 Bxe3 31.Qxe3
>>>					Rxe3+ 32.Kxe3
>>>3:16	2/11	-1.23	15735481	23...Re6 24.Qa3 Nf3+ 25.Kf1 Nxh2+
>>>					26.Kg1 Nf3+ 27.Kf1 Nxd2+ 28.Rxd2
>>>					dxe3 29.Rd6 Bf5 30.Kg2 e2 31.Rxe6
>>>					Bxe6
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>>Nf3+ doesn't win.  Best case it draws, worst case there are several lines that
>>lose.
>>
>>A lot of programs get "confused" on this one, because the material is all wacko.
>> :)
>
>
>Crafty v17.16 SE (2 cpus) [available via email to mfbyrne_pa@msn.com]
>
>White(1): 4rrk1/p4p2/1b1Q1n1p/4n1p1/3pb3/1P2P1PN/PB1R1P1P/3R2K1 b - - 0 23
>Black(1): go
>              clearing hash tables
>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 100:00 (100:00)
>         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
>starting thread 1
>                1->   0.02  -3.18   1. ... Re6 2. Qb4 dxe3
>                2     0.02  -3.18   1. ... Re6 2. Qb4 dxe3
>                2->   0.02  -3.18   1. ... Re6 2. Qb4 dxe3
>                3     0.03     ++   1. ... Re6!!
>                3     0.03  -2.32   1. ... Re6 2. Qb4 Nf3+ 3. Kf1 Nxd2+
>                                    4. Qxd2 dxe3 5. fxe3
>                3     0.03     ++   1. ... Nf3+!!
>                3     0.05  -1.02   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxd2+ 3. Rxd2 Re6
>                                    4. Qb4 dxe3
>         (2)    3->   0.05  -1.02   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxd2+ 3. Rxd2 Re6
>                                    4. Qb4 dxe3
>                4     0.07  -1.02   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxd2+ 3. Rxd2 Re6
>                                    4. Qb4 dxe3
>                4->   0.08  -1.02   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxd2+ 3. Rxd2 Re6
>                                    4. Qb4 dxe3
>                5     0.11  -1.00   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxh2+ 3. Ke2 Bf3+
>                                    4. Kd3 Re6 5. Qb4 Bxd1 6. Rxd1
>                5->   0.14  -1.00   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxh2+ 3. Ke2 Bf3+
>                                    4. Kd3 Re6 5. Qb4 Bxd1 6. Rxd1
>                6     0.24  -0.80   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxh2+ 3. Ke1 Nf3+
>                                    4. Ke2 Re6 5. Qb4 a5 6. Qc4 Nxd2 7.
>                                    Rxd2 dxe3 8. fxe3
>                6->   0.28  -0.80   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxh2+ 3. Ke1 Nf3+
>                                    4. Ke2 Re6 5. Qb4 a5 6. Qc4 Nxd2 7.
>                                    Rxd2 dxe3 8. fxe3
>                7     0.47  -0.80   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxh2+ 3. Ke1 Nf3+
>                                    4. Ke2 Re6 5. Qb4 a5 6. Qc4 Nxd2 7.
>                                    Rxd2 dxe3 8. fxe3
>                7->   0.55  -0.80   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxh2+ 3. Ke1 Nf3+
>                                    4. Ke2 Re6 5. Qb4 a5 6. Qc4 Nxd2 7.
>                                    Rxd2 dxe3 8. fxe3
>                8     1.05  -0.65   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxh2+ 3. Ke1 Nf3+
>                                    4. Ke2 Re6 5. Qb4 Nxd2 6. Qxd2 d3+
>                                    7. Kf1
>                8->   1.36  -0.65   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxh2+ 3. Ke1 Nf3+
>                                    4. Ke2 Re6 5. Qb4 Nxd2 6. Qxd2 d3+
>                                    7. Kf1
>                9     2.72  -0.65   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxh2+ 3. Ke1 Re6
>                                    4. Qa3 Nf3+ 5. Ke2 Nxd2 6. Rxd2 dxe3
>                                    7. fxe3
>                9->   3.52  -0.65   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxh2+ 3. Ke1 Re6
>                                    4. Qa3 Nf3+ 5. Ke2 Nxd2 6. Rxd2 dxe3
>                                    7. fxe3
>               10     7.24  -0.47   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxh2+ 3. Ke1 Re6
>                                    4. Qa3 Nf3+ 5. Ke2 Nxd2 6. Rxd2 dxe3
>                                    7. fxe3 Rc8 8. Bxf6 Rxf6
>               10->  10.39  -0.47   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Nxh2+ 3. Ke1 Re6
>                                    4. Qa3 Nf3+ 5. Ke2 Nxd2 6. Rxd2 dxe3
>                                    7. fxe3 Rc8 8. Bxf6 Rxf6
>               11    46.47  -0.46   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Re6 3. Qa3 Nxd2+
>                                    4. Rxd2 dxe3 5. fxe3 Bxe3 6. Bxf6 Rxf6+
>                                    7. Rf2 Bd3+ 8. Kg2 Be4+ 9. Kg1 Bxf2+
>                                    10. Nxf2
>               11->  53.69  -0.46   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Re6 3. Qa3 Nxd2+
>                                    4. Rxd2 dxe3 5. fxe3 Bxe3 6. Bxf6 Rxf6+
>                                    7. Rf2 Bd3+ 8. Kg2 Be4+ 9. Kg1 Bxf2+
>                                    10. Nxf2
>               12     1:32  -0.46   1. ... Nf3+ 2. Kf1 Re6 3. Qa3 Nxd2+
>                                    4. Rxd2 dxe3 5. fxe3 Bxe3 6. Bxf6 Rxf6+
>                                    7. Rf2 Bd3+ 8. Kg2 Be4+ 9. Kg1 Bxf2+
>                                    10. Nxf2
>               12     1:59  -0.45   1. ... Re6 2. Qa3 dxe3 3. fxe3 Bxe3+
>                                    4. Kf1 Bxd2 5. Rxd2 Nf3 6. Rf2 Ng4
>                                    7. Rxf3 Nxh2+ 8. Kg2 Nxf3 9. Qxa7
>         (2)   12->   2:27  -0.45   1. ... Re6 2. Qa3 dxe3 3. fxe3 Bxe3+
>                                    4. Kf1 Bxd2 5. Rxd2 Nf3 6. Rf2 Ng4
>                                    7. Rxf3 Nxh2+ 8. Kg2 Nxf3 9. Qxa7
>               13     3:06  -0.45   1. ... Re6 2. Qa3 dxe3 3. fxe3 Bxe3+
>                                    4. Kf1 Bxd2 5. Rxd2 Nf3 6. Rf2 Ng4
>                                    7. Rxf3 Nxh2+ 8. Kg2 Nxf3 9. Qxa7
>         (2)   13->   5:27  -0.45   1. ... Re6 2. Qa3 dxe3 3. fxe3 Bxe3+
>                                    4. Kf1 Bxd2 5. Rxd2 Nf3 6. Rf2 Ng4
>                                    7. Rxf3 Nxh2+ 8. Kg2 Nxf3 9. Qxa7

The score isn't very convincing.



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