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Subject: Re: difficult problem

Author: Chessfun

Date: 07:07:52 09/08/02

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On September 08, 2002 at 09:58:27, Jim Monaghan wrote:

>Hi Uri and Allan,
>
>I think the position is a draw. Allan's idea I think is that White waltzes his
>king up to c8 and then mates with Bb7. Black sacrificing all his pawns will
>delay that somewhat.
>
>But if the WK attempts to cross the "Rubicon" (diagonal a8-h1) Black plays
>...h2-h1Q+ pretty fast. The only other idea is for the WB to go back along the
>diagonal, say Bg2, so as to allow the WK to play Ke4. BUT, this lifts the
>stalemate and Black escapes with ...Kb7. If then Kd5 or Kf5+, the position will
>still be a draw, as White will have no way of attacking c7 sufficiently to break
>through and win all the Black pawns.


What about the king simply walking to g2, h3 then to c8.


Sarah.




 Black doesn't have control of the white
>squares to get his pawn mass going. So this winning attempt will fail with the
>result that it's a draw. The two bishops and the WK will waltz around forever up
>to 50 moves and then a draw.
>
>This is most probably too hard of a concept for programs. The right evaluation
>here is +0.00.
>
>Cheers,
>Jim
>
>
>On September 08, 2002 at 05:30:06, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On September 08, 2002 at 04:16:08, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On September 08, 2002 at 03:54:40, allan johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> How many programmes see that white is winning here?The black king is stalemated
>>>>and white's pieces are all on white squares so the white king can simply walk to
>>>>c8. Shredder6 and Chess Tiger 14 on my Celeron1.2 show a -6+ for white I guess
>>>>that it is too many plies for them.
>>>> [D]B7/p1p5/kb1p4/p3p3/P1N2p2/6p1/7p/K7/
>>>> Al
>>>
>>>Yace can see 2.03 pawns improvement for white
>>>
>>>The score at depth 1 is 7.54 pawns for black
>>>The score at depth 19 is 5.51 pawns for black
>>>
>>>New position
>>>[D]B7/p1p5/kb1p4/p3p3/P1N2p2/6p1/7p/K7 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:
>
>>>1.Kb2 Bd4+ 2.Kc2 Bc5 3.Bh1 Bb4 4.Kd3 Be1
>>>  -+  (-5.51)   Depth: 19   00:13:08  424894kN
>>>
>>>(blass, tel-aviv 08.09.2002)
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>progress continues
>>
>>  -+  (-5.11)   Depth: 20   00:25:48  804415kN
>>1.Kb2 Bd4+ 2.Kc2 h1Q 3.Bxh1 g2 4.Bxg2 f3 5.Bxf3 d5
>>  -+  (-5.11)   Depth: 20   00:30:24  944391kN
>>1.Kb2 Bd4+ 2.Kc2 Bc5 3.Kd3 Bf2 4.Bg2 Bd4 5.Bh1 Bg1 6.Ke4 Be3 7.Nxe3 fxe3 8.Kf3
>>e2 9.Kxe2 c5
>>  -+  (-4.88)   Depth: 21   01:14:56  2345830kN
>>
>>(blass, tel-aviv 08.09.2002)
>>
>>I stopped the analysis with yace.
>>
>>Maybe someone with better hardware or better software can find that white is
>>winning.
>>
>>Uri



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