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Subject: Re: interesting idea (some food for thought)

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:22:58 09/08/02

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On September 08, 2002 at 19:52:18, Ricardo Gibert wrote:

>On September 07, 2002 at 11:13:20, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>
>>Jose made a really good point about observed data vs measured data.  After
>>thinking about it for a bit, I decided that it is a point strong enough to
>>change the way we think about "measured" and "observed".
>>
>>Some examples:
>>
>>speed.  Impossible to measure.
>>
>>For example, your automobile (newer vehicles) compute speed by counting the
>>revolutions of the tailshaft (output) of the transmission, then factoring in
>>the rear-end ratio and the circumference of the rear wheels.  It _computes_
>>the speed from that.
>>
>>A radar measures the frequency change in a radio signal as it bounces off
>>a moving target and _computes_ the speed based on the frequency change.
>>
>>A GPS observes to "positions" in terms of lattitude and longitude, uses some
>>geometry to compute the distance between them, and uses a clock to measure the
>>time to cover that distance, and displays speed.
>>
>>So Speed can't be measured directly, it has to be computed.  And this isn't a
>>surprise since speed is defined as distance over time.
>>
>>Brightness.  (of a light, not a person.  :)  )
>>
>>This is a direct measure of an electrical signal produced by some sort of
>>device (photo-resistor, photo-cell, optical transistor, etc) and then that
>>voltage is used to compute a brightness level in Lumens...
>>
>>Loudness (sound).
>>
>>Ditto.
>>
>>NPS.
>>
>>nodes searched divided by time in seconds.  Computed.
>>
>>Speedup
>>
>>one-processor time divided by the N-processor time.  Computed
>>
>>We really don't have a lot of "observed" data nowadays.   Some, yes.  Where
>>were you at 8pm last night.  But more is computed...
>>
>>Which means if we start to define observed vs computed, we don't end up with
>>very much in the "observed" column.
>>
>>In a chess program I can count nodes and "compute" time (end-time minus
>>start-time) and then compute a nps value.  I can measure run-time and compute
>>speed-up.  But I can't directly measure speed at all.
>>
>>strange when you think about it...  :)
>
>You have to compute run_time too: run_time = completion_time - start_time  ;-)


Maybe.  One could argue that you start run-time at zero, such as a CPU clock
cycle counter, then you don't have to do the calculation.  But remember, I
am not claiming these are not "measured" values.  But on the pure definition
of the term "observed" there is an issue.



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