Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 16:15:36 09/09/02
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On September 08, 2002 at 23:59:37, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On September 08, 2002 at 18:37:47, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On September 07, 2002 at 17:36:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On September 07, 2002 at 16:05:16, Rick Terry wrote: >>> >>>>Does this guy need an Attitude Adjustment or what??? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Information about beetle(IM) (Last disconnected Sun Jan 09 2000 11:41): >>>> >>>> rating [need] win loss draw total best >>>>Wild 1446 [6] 0 1 0 1 >>>>Bullet 2121 [8] 862 627 86 1575 2405 (12-Apr-1997) >>>>Blitz 2380 [8] 14204 7694 2216 24114 2728 (20-Feb-1997) >>>>Standard 2529 [6] 10 3 6 19 >>>> >>>> 1: Michael Valvo Fort Collins Colorado USA 57 years old >>>> 2: I will give takebacks for obvious mouse slips but you must ask >>>> 3: I will play fast time controls to accomodate opponents but my aim is chess >>>>not time (goes for silly or stupid stuff as well) so beware [don't bother >>>>playing me if playing to win on time is your thing...I'm not into such >>>>masturbation] >>>> 4: I find it odd there are players here who play less than 90% of their games >>>>as rated; Many who like their rating so much they stop playing! >>>> 5: 3 0 is not chess (more like masturbation), but one has to do it or not play >>>>(seems like the most popular time control)...I try, but I can't quite handle 3 0 >>>>time controls and often lose on time >>>> 6: Accumulated hours : 4879.97 % of life on icc : 10.31 >>>> 7: I will immediately abort the game and/or put people on noplay/censor for >>>>playing boring or wierd openings >>>> 8: don't offer me draws I'm not interested (in fact excessive draw offers will >>>>result in censor/noplay) >>>> 9: giving thx after games or dising is a sure way to get censored and/or >>>>noplayed >>>>10: I detest increments & unrated games >> >>>I'm not sure what you are asking. I've known Mike for 20+ years. He was the >>>TD at most of the ACM events starting around 1980 or so... He's not as strong >>>a chess player as he used to be (he is an IM), and he did suffer a stroke a >>>few years ago that affected his chess playing ability (his words). >> >>Ah it's not about the chess level here. It's about censoring everyone >>for about 3 years now. As long as he is on ICC he's been doing that. >>His censoring of me is from about 2 years ago or so i'd estimate. > > >Vincent, > >I can think of many reasons why someone might censor you. > >:) I would feel completely sick if beetle hadn't censored me. In fact there's 2 types of GMs nowadays in netherlands. Ones who hate me because i have a chessprogram, so i am the devil who threatens them with an evil machine (quote from GM Piket who explained behaviour of a few of his colleges). The other group is by far outpowering the first group completely especially nowadays and that's the professional chess players who are always chatting with me. I can't go to a tournament (i'm not at many) or half of all pro players there have a short chat with me. Though it's partly because i have met many at the board (this year i get again slaughtered by the pro players in the masterclass for Utrecht), sometimes i just feel like a Friedel with a harem. Anyway, majority of chessplayers from social viewpoint seen, is obviously having problems surviving. Especially those who are too stubborn to teach and who can't write good books either, they have major problems; where others like the Eric Schillers who write so many good books that i'm amazed that he has the TIME to do things like teaching apart from it, can be living very well from chess without having an IM title. It's the IMs who have the hard time always. It's the GMs who were usually ok. Nowadays in Netherlands however, we have 13 GMs now and many youthtalents soon will be GM too. Even in my club we have about 3 future GMs (Erwin l'Ami, Ruud Janssen, Marc Erwich); sure you may say i suck if 2 out of them didn't manage to get GM later :) These kids eat IMs for breakfast. GMs is the only level they have problems with. In case of Erwin and Marc and Ruud they only have problems with GMs > 2600. But for all those who never reached that level, life is hard. Real hard. Add to that, that especially the previous generation was anything but sweet. Arrogance and intolerance was a very gentle description. I still see the remnants in my own team (73 year old fellow who sold a few million chess books and was world top in his days, so dealing with all kind of world champs; no i won't tell his name, you guys should be able to find out yourself; i'm saying something about the mentality here). Dealing with generation Max Euwe (world champion chess, did you guys know Max Euwe was a world champion FIDE and started the federatoin short before WWII?), is NOT easy. Arrogance is written in capitals from a mile high. In fact my chessclub had a committee to see who could get a member of it. In 1957 they still refused someone. Reason: he was 'only' the son of a baker, despite that he was a great chess talent. Chess up to 30 years after world war II here, it was a game of the elite, though millions short after WWII here practiced it (which is logical if you still have a world champion in your country who is alive). That elite distinguished itself by having a mentality which by any standards would be seen as arrogant. I'm just a beginner compared to beetle there! Born half a century later, do the math... > > >> >>Sincethen i have seen regularly people joke and post about it at different >>fora :) >> >>>Notes like that generally reflect poor experiences on ICC, which is not >>>uncommon... that is why some (GM) players are anonymous...
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