Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 02:05:51 09/10/02
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On September 10, 2002 at 01:45:23, Uri Blass wrote: >Note that thorsten also watch the games. >Seeing the games give more information than seeing only the results. > >Thorsten explained this point in the past. >I believe that even with watching the games a lot of games are needed but less >games relative to the case that you do not watch the games. > >You can learn from watching the games what are the numbers that should be >changed and to what direction. > >You can learn from analyzing the games and trying to do a minimal change in the >evaluation to fix the error. > >I guess that there are cases when thorsten rejects a style inspite of having >slightly better results but only thorsten can tell if my guess is correct. exactly : the key point is: man can change this world by observing it, by thinking, having a thesis, try it out, proving if its right or wrong. the world is not static. it is dynamic. you can change it. the way you describe it, uri, it is done. watching, having a point of view, trying this out, playing games to prove it. not an automated series of games with no human beeing involved. this way only random fluctuation is produced. it needs the spirit in the materia to find a way out. therefore eng-eng (especially when eng X is playing engine X+1 of the same program) makes almost NO sense. what happends when you have X+1 win against X with 60 or 76% ? Those guys believe that X+1 is stronger. but it isn't. it is stronger against X, but not against fritz, junior, shredder, human players, test-suites... its only "stronger" (whatever this means) against old X, ... therefore... this method of playing 288 or 400 games is complete waste of time IMO, you produce a killer engine against X. this method is not working because it is an automated process. no creativity involved. it needs humans to increase quality of a product. to increase quality of a thing. you cannot find it by automated methods. >For me it is dependent on the change. > >There are changes in the evaluation that I do based on watching a lot of games >and analyzing them without tests and testing by games is done only after >thinking that I do a significant improvement. right !! >In these days I do not work on movei(I guess that I will continue in october to >work on it) but I clearly learn what should be changed from watching and >analyzing a lot of games. > >Uri thats IMO the way. YOU change something. that means: man changed objects. man changes world.
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