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Subject: Re: Checkers: Las Vegas and Chinook

Author: Jeroen Noomen

Date: 08:58:26 09/10/02

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On September 09, 2002 at 20:32:22, martin fierz wrote:

Hi Martin,

You already say it in your first line: We will never know. All remains pure
speculation. I guess if Tinsley was afraid of Chinook, this might hurt his play.
In the first 6 games, the only games in which we could see something of the
difference in playing strength, Chinook had an advantage. That is all. But still
there were 6 draws. Lafferty won a game vs. Chinook with a Tinsley cook. Maybe
Tinsley could have played this in the match, if he had played on. But this is
all just a wild guess.

Coming back to the Lafferty match: Chinook only lost a game because of a Tinsley
cook. Would Don have won a game without this information? I don't think so.
Although this is very speculative as well.

I don't agree with your statement that 'if Lafferty draws a match against
Chinook, Tinsley might as well'. Of course, from a pure rational point of view
this is a good conclusion, but the circumstances were different. As a chess
player I know what being afraid of your opponent can do to your playing
strength. Chinook made 1 mistake in 10 games against Lafferty. But against
Tinsley there were zero in 6 games. Not much to tell here. Maybe Chinook would
have played faultless against Tinsley. Or would have made 6 mistakes. One
mistake in 10 games in one match doesn't mean you will always make one mistake
in 10 games in any other match.

Jeroen


PS  I have downloaded Checkerboard, Cake and Kingsrow. Thanks for providing this
service, I like Checkerboard very much!



>we will never know is the right answer, but we can see two more things besides
>the 6 games between tinsley and chinook:
>1) immediately after the match against tinsley, chinook played 20 games against
>lafferty and the match ended +1=18-1. chinook made two serious mistakes in this
>match, losing a drawn position, and failing to win a winning position.
>2)tinsley was a stronger player than lafferty.
>
>these are both facts. obviously (unfortunately), you cannot make any kind of
>conclusion like
>a) chinook was better than tinsley
>b) tinsley was better than chinook
>from these facts. but i think it's clear that if lafferty could draw a match
>against chinook, then "by b)" tinsley might have managed that too. and if
>chinook made a serious mistake once in ten games, who knows - it might have lost
>a match to tinsley. or it might have won. you cannot tell. but there is no
>evidence that tinsley was really outclassed by chinook. all we have to go on is
>that according to bob, before the match, tinsley was really afraid of chinook.
>but i think in part this is because he had no chance to play against it or to
>study it's games. for example, what would he have said after he saw chinook's
>loss to lafferty, which was all book play? would he have changed his mind?
>
>aloha
>  martin



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