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Subject: Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands'

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 08:06:57 09/13/02

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On September 13, 2002 at 10:56:10, Uri Blass wrote:

>On September 13, 2002 at 10:38:17, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>>I disagree.
>>>Most of the population of chess programs is clearly weaker than the top
>>>programs.
>>>
>>>Gnuchess is losing against crafty even if you give gnuchess hardware that is 10
>>>times faster if the time control is slow enough and gnuchess is not a weak
>>>program but at the level of the average amateur.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>I agree. This was chapter one though. Seems fair enough that GNU which has no
>>clue about endgames, tablebases, not even GM books, and then being amateur, is
>>weaker than Crafty. Was GNU ever tuned on Crafty? I mean if I would take GNU as
>>a pro I would make at least 8th place in SSDF out of it. But actually we are
>>comparing apples and beans. GNU is not of "this" world now. BTW I played
>>SIBIRIAN, for that nice prog I promissed you the same! Implement all the modern
>>stuff and it will play billy bully with FRITZ, I suppose. Not even needing
>>tablebases. Cough.
>>
>>Rolf Tueschen
>
>I have to disagree again.
>I do not know how the book of gnuchess was build but it is not so bad and it has
>a lot of variety.
>
>I do not think that gnu lose games because of book.
>Tablebases are also not very important.
>
>Gnu is going to lose also against list inspite of the fact that list has no book
>and not because of tablebases advantage.
>
>Gnu need better search rules and better evaluation in order to be in the same
>level of the top programs.
>
>Uri

Again I must agree. Since all modern progs are founded on these free (?) sources
by defintion they are stronger. How could they be weaker? That is the same with
the pro's which were all founded in parts on CRAFTY. How could CRAFTY still be
stronger? So, this is not a good argument this time, I'm afraid. The same with
your point about the 10 times faster hardware. Even then GNU would lose simply
because it's a different generation. Another species perhaps. :)

But take the first eight versions on SSDF on 1200. Are they different in
strength? Just to get some speed into the argumentation.

Rolf Tueschen

• Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Uri Blass 08:16:07 09/13/02
  • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Uri Blass 08:17:20 09/13/02
    • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Rolf Tueschen 08:31:10 09/13/02
      • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Uri Blass 08:54:04 09/13/02
        • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Dave Gomboc 09:43:36 09/13/02
          • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Uri Blass 09:54:28 09/13/02
            • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Dave Gomboc 10:03:57 09/13/02
              • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Uri Blass 10:22:15 09/13/02
                • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Rolf Tueschen 10:35:12 09/13/02
• Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Gian-Carlo Pascutto 08:15:32 09/13/02
  • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Rolf Tueschen 08:25:15 09/13/02
    • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Uri Blass 08:57:50 09/13/02
      • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Rolf Tueschen 09:30:49 09/13/02
        • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Uri Blass 09:52:13 09/13/02
          • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Rolf Tueschen 10:33:06 09/13/02
            • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Uri Blass 10:47:33 09/13/02
        • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Dave Gomboc 09:45:26 09/13/02
    • Re: Testmethods for n=0, n=1 and n=>800 - For Beginners and 'old Hands' Gian-Carlo Pascutto 08:37:19 09/13/02

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