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Subject: Re: Fun rating list Chessmaster 9000...maybe?

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 17:31:09 09/13/02

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On September 13, 2002 at 04:49:24, Stuzzi Kadent wrote:

>On September 12, 2002 at 15:59:31, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>
>>Games with Deep Fritz 7, Shredder Paderborn, Tiger 15 gambit and agressive are
>>still ongoing. It's good to see the three F7's 001, 002 and 008 finally coming
>>together. I will likely join their results when I post my next list, plus remove
>>Tiger 15 results unless it's been released at that point.
>>
>>7000 games majority 6200+ are 60 mins+. Results include autoplayed pondering and
>>non-autoplayed no pondering.
>>
>>By my rating list the CM9K shows itself 119 points stronger than CM8K.
>>CM9K rating using general.ctg.
>>
>>    Program               Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws
>>
>>  1 Tiger 15 normal     : 2681   42  33   206    59.0 %   2618   44.2 %
>>  2 Tiger 15 agressive  : 2678  104  84    40    57.5 %   2625   35.0 %
>>  3 Deep Fritz 7        : 2676   89  59    57    54.4 %   2645   45.6 %
>>  4 Shredder Paderborn  : 2646   80  57    76    51.3 %   2637   34.2 %
>>  5 Fritz 7 002         : 2643   45  41   169    61.2 %   2564   37.3 %
>>  6 Fritz 7 008         : 2641   40  33   219    60.7 %   2565   42.9 %
>>  7 Fritz 7 001         : 2638   39  33   237    58.6 %   2577   39.7 %
>>  8 Gambit Tiger 2.0    : 2626   22  18   749    59.0 %   2562   41.7 %
>>  9 Fritz 7 (No MMX)    : 2625   49  36   162    58.0 %   2569   44.4 %
>> 10 Chess Tiger 14.0    : 2618   25  19   630    56.7 %   2571   43.2 %
>> 11 Deep Fritz          : 2613   28  23   495    55.6 %   2574   36.4 %
>> 12 Chessmaster 9000    : 2613   66  43   112    50.9 %   2607   41.1 %
>> 13 Junior 7            : 2609   32  26   433    53.1 %   2587   27.3 %
>> 14 Hiarcs 8            : 2608   35  53   168    48.5 %   2618   42.3 %
>> 15 Gambit Tiger 1.0    : 2580   36  29   321    55.0 %   2545   33.3 %
>> 16 Gandalf 5.1         : 2574   36  57   151    49.7 %   2576   42.4 %
>> 17 Shredder 5.32       : 2572   49  35   203    50.2 %   2570   33.5 %
>> 18 Fritz 6             : 2565   19  14  1193    53.5 %   2540   36.6 %
>> 19 Shredder 6          : 2561   46  31   225    50.4 %   2558   37.8 %
>> 20 Chess Tiger 13.0    : 2561   31  21   489    51.4 %   2551   41.1 %
>> 21 Tiger 12.0e         : 2557   48  34   180    55.8 %   2516   43.9 %
>> 22 Deep Shredder       : 2556   42  51   156    44.2 %   2596   34.6 %
>> 23 Shredder 5.0        : 2555   17  24   811    49.0 %   2562   36.1 %
>> 24 Deep Junior 7       : 2549   65  45   115    50.4 %   2546   36.5 %
>> 25 Junior 6a           : 2547   20  14  1171    51.8 %   2534   34.8 %
>> 26 Gandalf 5.0         : 2545   33  50   191    49.0 %   2552   41.4 %
>> 27 Deep Junior 6a      : 2541   33  46   224    48.7 %   2550   35.7 %
>> 28 Crafty 18.13        : 2538   41  60   118    45.3 %   2570   44.9 %
>> 29 Fritz 6 Old         : 2528   47  35   211    50.9 %   2522   30.8 %
>> 30 Hiarcs 7.32         : 2525   18  24   781    47.1 %   2545   36.7 %
>> 31 Goliath Light 1.5   : 2510   45  54   142    44.4 %   2549   32.4 %
>> 32 Rebel Century 3.0   : 2509   53  61   110    44.1 %   2550   30.0 %
>> 33 Nimzo 8             : 2501   30  37   265    41.7 %   2559   40.4 %
>> 34 Fritz 5.32          : 2497   26  34   378    46.8 %   2519   34.4 %
>> 35 Chessmaster 8000    : 2494   35  42   225    43.3 %   2541   35.1 %
>> 36 Shredder 4.0        : 2493   33  45   207    45.7 %   2523   41.1 %
>> 37 Crafty 17.10        : 2491   63  81    72    47.2 %   2511   30.6 %
>> 38 Nimzo 7.32          : 2489   33  39   259    43.6 %   2533   34.0 %
>> 39 Crafty 18.08        : 2487   47  53   129    39.5 %   2561   37.2 %
>> 40 Junior 5.0          : 2486   36  45   202    45.0 %   2521   35.6 %
>> 41 Crafty 18.10        : 2481   44  49   142    38.0 %   2566   39.4 %
>> 42 Fritz 4.01          : 2458   35  41   217    41.5 %   2517   36.9 %
>> 43 Crafty 18.12        : 2451   74  63    76    31.6 %   2586   31.6 %
>> 44 Gandalf 432_g       : 2446   77  80    56    36.6 %   2541   33.9 %
>> 45 SOS                 : 2445   46  45   169    37.9 %   2531   30.8 %
>> 46 Crafty 17.11        : 2431   55  69    83    41.6 %   2490   39.8 %
>> 47 Fritz 5.00          : 2424   42  41   188    34.8 %   2533   36.7 %
>> 48 Crafty 17.07        : 2412   66  65    80    35.6 %   2515   33.8 %
>> 49 Junior 4.6          : 2390   42  42   163    31.9 %   2522   41.7 %
>>
>>(12) Chessmaster 9000          : 112 (+ 34,= 46,- 32), 50.9 %
>>
>>Nimzo 8                       :   4 (+  2,=  1,-  1), 62.5 %
>>Fritz 5.32                    :  10 (+  5,=  5,-  0), 75.0 %
>>Chess Tiger 14.0              :  10 (+  2,=  6,-  2), 50.0 %
>>Gambit Tiger 2.0              :  10 (+  3,=  5,-  2), 55.0 %
>>Junior 7                      :   4 (+  1,=  0,-  3), 25.0 %
>>Shredder 5.32                 :   5 (+  2,=  2,-  1), 60.0 %
>>Deep Junior 7                 :  10 (+  6,=  1,-  3), 65.0 %
>>Fritz 7 001                   :  10 (+  1,=  3,-  6), 25.0 %
>>Fritz 7 008                   :   5 (+  0,=  4,-  1), 40.0 %
>>Crafty 18.13                  :  10 (+  5,=  5,-  0), 75.0 %
>>Tiger 15 normal               :  14 (+  3,=  6,-  5), 42.9 %
>>Shredder Paderborn            :  10 (+  3,=  3,-  4), 45.0 %
>>Deep Fritz 7                  :  10 (+  1,=  5,-  4), 35.0 %
>>
>>Sarah.
>
>I assume this league has been going on a long time. Would you include pondering
>if you could turn it off? Why do you test at this long (60 minutes) and longer?
>I assume one hopes for more differentiation in style and performance the longer
>one gets them to think, but I wonder if simply playing more games would
>differentiate them more clearly. (This is more of a question for the general CC
>community). I thought it relatively rare that a computer lets go of the move it
>was considering compared to a human at longer controls. (It's all relative, 60
>seconds is an age for a GHz computer)
>The thing that most intrigues me is that a 183K download for shredder increases
>its strength by 85 points. That is like a whole new version. For free.



Reminds me of the free update Tiger13 -> Tiger14! :)



    Christophe



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