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Subject: Re: Second example for a bad opening of the opponent in the tuning of Rebel

Author: Jonas Cohonas

Date: 10:39:53 09/15/02

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On September 15, 2002 at 13:13:44, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On September 15, 2002 at 13:03:14, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>
>>Rolf you are getting a bit carried away here, if shredder or it's book makes a
>>bad move you should not blame thorsten for it, the only thing you could argue
>>here is the validity of publishing such a game in terms of accuracy.
>>
>>BTW i have read your posts for a while now and it seems you are looking for
>>mistakes no matter who posts, do you have some past issues that was left
>>unfinished?
>>
>>Regards
>>Jonas
>
>the method of playing autoplayer matches for finding out about strength
>is not MY method. i call this bean counting. but many people, and some
>programmers too, like this method.
>
>therefore for THEM it is only a prove when you have autoplayer data.
>
>i do prefer game examples, where you can show a special feature.
>
>rolf is forgetting that my article (he obviously quotes out) is
>full of examples what i have done and especially
>with examples where rebel played in default mode and my macheide-style is
>playing from the same position.
>
>he forgets all the other information, picks out a game that he likes to
>choose as an example, and comes with mud.
>
>thats typical.
>
>when i present NO autoplayer material, people piss on it because
>its not statistical verified. when i come with autoplayer games/data,
>they piss on it because of whatever mistakes.
>
>some say i would not post ALL games (chessfun), rolf complaints THAT
>i do post all games.
>
>don't you see what is going on here.
>
>you post something to keep people and fans / freaks informed about a new
>style , a new program that plays good, and few people piss on it.
>
>Why ?
>
>i think they piss on it because of personal problems.
>It's not the data you post, it YOU that is the problem for them.
>
>You could post the telephone-book of NY and they would complain about.
>
>this way they destroy computerchess IMO. because nobody wants to post anymore
>anything interesting because those people piss on it whatever you do.
>
>I have seen this here in this forum for a long time.
>
>it happens to bob hyatt too.
>
>its a kind of personal fight.
>the content is not important.
>its the history of mud throwing that was in rgcc and here in CCC long time
>ago.
>
>its not about computerchess- or human behaviour. its how dogs
>behave ...
>
>if it would be about computerchess, there would be content in it.

Personally i appreciate your effort, not many people want's to go through the
trials and tribulations of developing a new style (that be CM, rebel, no one
even came up with one for fritz 7 or Hiarcs 8 that i know of).

I also agree that following the games are an important part of testing, i
personally gain a lot of info on how an engine are playing from doing just that,
not just from the results and the #'s.

So i say keep up the good work, i am sure the same people criticizing your work,
will ask for the settings at some point ;)

Regards
Jonas



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