Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 16:35:51 09/15/02
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On September 15, 2002 at 19:02:21, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On September 15, 2002 at 18:00:59, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On September 15, 2002 at 07:59:42, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>From the Macheide XP tuning games of Thorsten I found the following game. NB >>>that I did _not_ select the game. It was the first I played. Now I will take a >>>closer look. >>> >>>The game [read the article in Computerschachwelt]: >>> >>>Shredder 6 - XP Machëide x2cou_51 >>>40 Moves in 120 min; 20 Moves in 60 min auto232 match, 400mhz (3), 13.09.2002 >>> >>>1.d4 book 0s 1...Nf6 1:27m 2.c4 book 0s 2...e6 5s 3.Nc3 book 0s 3...Bb4 2s 4.e3 >>>book 0s 4...0-0 3s 5.Bd3 book 0s 5...d5 3s 6.cxd5 book 0s 6...exd5 2s 7.Nge2 >>>book 0s 7...Re8 2s 8.0-0 book 0s 8...Bd6 3s 9.f3 book 0s 9...c5 2s 10.Qe1 book >>>0s 10...Nc6 3s 11.Qh4 book 0s 11...Be7 4s 12.dxc5 -0.15/13 10:06m 12...Bxc5 >>>5:30m 13.Nd4 -0.15/13 0s 13...Bd7 3:37m (Ne5) 14.Nxd5 -0.03/13 9:32m 14...Nxd5 >>>43s 15.Qxh7+ -0.01/13 3:47m 15...Kf8 6s 16.Qh8+ -0.37/13 7:09m 16...Ke7 4s >>>17.Qxg7 -1.08/12 5:04m 17...Rg8 8:11m 18.Qh7 -1.64/12 0s 18...Nxd4 15:04m >>>19.exd4 -1.73/13 0s 19...Bxd4+ 2:25m 20.Kh1 -1.73/13 0s 20...Be6 5:47m 21.Re1 >>>-1.88/11 5:58m 21...Kd6 5s (Qb6) 22.Qe4 -1.70/11 6:51m 22...Qf6 4s 23.Rf1 >>>-3.51/9 12:55m 23...Rxg2 4:02m 24.Kxg2 -9.03/11 7:48m 24...Rg8+ 4s 0-1 >>> >>>Now my questions: >>> >>>1. Could someone tell me where exactly the books end? >>>2. Also could someone explain why Rebel played his book moves with different >>>times? >>>3. As a general question, does someone know if besides book cooking there can be >>>operator or tester tuning and if yes please with an example? >>>4. In my eyes we have a book cooking in the example above. Shredder ends with >>>Qh4, is that right? >>>5. The cook is Be7, right? >>>6. Look at the position after 13...Bd7. Could I give you this position to be >>>examined with your favorite progs? Who plays Nxd5? I already checked that FRITZ >>>7 does not play Nxd5. It's clear that Black gets a tempo with Rg8 and then can >>>take on d4. >>>7. Could someone explain how K-safety could be involved in this special game? >>>Black takes he risk of a wandering K to d6 and White is "safe" behind his pawns. >>>Why Shredder, the multi-time Wch cannot see that the open g-file brings storm >>>for his K? >>> >>>Without exact answers to y questions I can't decide what is going on in the >>>game. But to quote a sentence by Ed Schroder in yesterday's CTF, as you know Ed >>>has retired from computerchess programming, I can smell a rat in this game. >>>Someone looks as if perfectly pre-arranged. >> >>>Who can find the evidence? >> >>Depends on the $$$$$$$ reward :-) >> >>But seriously, this is quite some game. Rebel sat a nice trap (13...Bd7) and the >>opponent felt for it, too bad. The default settings plays 13...Bd7 too. > >Ed, I hope you can hear me? And you believe that Thorsten like a grand master >found that trick in his only 30 game in total? Hahahaha. > > >> >>About pre-arranging games, anybody can do it, play xxx games, delete yyy lost >>games from the PGN output and post the remaining. The SSDF can do, all the >>super-chess-freaks playing their valuable tournaments can do it, and and and. In >>the end it all comes down if you trust the poster. >> >>Science is nice, but how does one scientifically proof someone is lying? Maybe >>you want to connect Thorsten to the lie detector? Thorsten, do I hear you >>volunteer? >> >>Ed > > >Ed, please, you know that I am as peaceful as Jesus. But when it comes to >statistics I must defend the rules. Against my inner self. :) > >And the rules say, you should never pre-arrange something you want to prove. Or >alter after the test. > >I wasn't the one who made the rules, Ed. Don't shoot me, I'm just the reporter. >BTW I'm sure that Thorsten is unable to lie. That's the problem with him and his >inconsistencies. <g> Well, I don't see any new scientific questions, which means I can rest my case and safely return to the other forum :) Ed >Rolf Tueschen
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