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Subject: Re: hash entry replacement schemes-fail soft implications and IID

Author: Simon Finn

Date: 06:15:16 09/16/02

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On September 14, 2002 at 23:41:55, scott farrell wrote:

>Does anyone know what implications fail-soft might have on hashing?
>
>If you do a search say from 1 to 2, and under fail soft it returns 2.5
>(fail-high / beta cutoff). I am currently storing the score as a beta cuttoff of
>2.5. If I see this position again, and the depth is good enough, I return the
>value from the hash table, so this is fail-soft as well.
>
>if (mainTable.flag[te] == flagBeta)
>                    if (mainTable.value[te] >= beta)
>                                    return mainTable.value[te];
>
>I was tracking IID failures, and came up with some debugging that shows
>occaisonally no entry in the hashtable after a score of >= beta.

Is this surprising?

If you arrive at the same position by different routes,
you may have different alpha-beta windows.

This means that a fail-soft value (generated with a narrow
window) is not necessarily reusable (for a search with a
wider window).

When you search a node at greater depth, you may also have
a different alpha-beta window (because preceding nodes,
also searched at greater depth, now return different values).

When you start IID from a node, you may encounter a
high-draft/small-window/fail-soft node (generated by IID
from some other node) in the hash table. Depending on
the actual fail-soft value, this may or may not lie
outside the current alpha-beta window.

If the stored fail-soft value is within the current
(wider) window, you will get a "hash table failure".

Does this explain what you are seeing, or have I misunderstood
the problem?

Simon


>I am still
>trying to trace it down. It seems lots more of these occured nearer to the
>terminal nodes (search horizon). I stopped IID recursing nearer the terminal
>nodes, and many of the failures stopped. I guess I might not be hashing enough
>details near the terminal nodes. I have tried turning on and off storing values
>from the qsearch, but it didnt seem to effect things.



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