Author: Mark Young
Date: 01:32:05 08/23/98
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On August 22, 1998 at 20:14:35, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On August 22, 1998 at 18:10:05, blass uri wrote: > >>>I am happy that this games happens. Because I can show you in example >>>what i mean when i talk about this draw-score-bug phnemomena in fritz... >>>i hope you can all reproduce it on your machines and than we can analyse WHY... >>>this happens... >> >>I thought you said you will repeat the game between chesstiger11.4 and Rebel >>with the right book >>and if this is the case then they have one more game to complete. > >? No - the game vs. tiger was in an earlier round... >I don't want to repeat this game, also the game was not lost because of the >opening IMO. > >>Uri > > > >PGN - game: > >[Event "summer-tournament"] >[Site "k6/200 40/120"] >[Date "1998.08.23"] >[Round "5"] >[White "Junior5 beta 16bit"] >[Black "Fritz5.03 power.ctg"] >[Result "1-0"] > >1. c4 Nf6 2. d4 e6 3. Nf3 c5 4. d5 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. Nc3 g6 7. Nd2 Nbd7 8. e4 >Bg7 9. Be2 O-O 10. O-O Re8 11. a4 Ne5 12. Ra3 g5 13. Re1 a6 14. Nf1 h6 15. Ne3 >Ng6 16. Qc2 Nf4 17. Bf3 b6 18. Nc4 N4xd5 19. Nxd5 Nxd5 20. Qd1 Nb4 21. Nxd6 >Re7 22. e5 Rb8 23. Rae3 Be6 24. b3 Qc7 25. Bb2 Rd7 26. Qb1 Rbd8 27. Be4 Nd5 >28. Rf3 Nf4 29. Bh7+ Kh8 30. Bf5 Qa7 31. h4 Qc7 32. hxg5 hxg5 33. Bc1 Bxf5 34. >Qxf5 Re7 35. Bxf4 Rxd6 36. exd6 Rxe1+ 37. Kh2 Qd8 38. Qxf7 g4 39. Qh5+ Kg8 40. >Qxg4 Re4 41. Rg3 Qf6 42. Qc8+ Kh7 43. Bg5 Qxd6 44. Qf5+ Kg8 45. Qxe4 Qe5 46. >Qg4 Qd6 47. Bc1 Qxg3+ 48. Kxg3 Kf8 49. Qe6 Bf6 50. Qxf6+ Ke8 51. Bg5 Kd7 52. >Qe7+ Kc6 53. Qe6+ Kb7 54. Bd8 Ka8 55. Qc6+ Kb8 56. Bxb6 a5 57. Qc7+ Ka8 58. >Qc8# 1-0 > > Hello Thorsten, How do you have Fritz 5’s book options setup? I show for move 3. c5 a 1.2 % chance of Fritz 5 playing this move. I show 3.d5 47.3 % and 3.b6 47.3 % and 3. Bb4+ 4.1 % as being better. For move 7. Nbd7 I show a 7.8 % chance of this being played. I show the move 7.Bg7 as being much more likely to be played. For move 13. a6 I show a 0 % chance of this move being played by Fritz. I show the moves 13 Ng6 98.7 % and 13 g4 1.3 % as being the best moves here. In the other games played by Fritz. I also saw that Fritz 5 would most likely not have played the openings it did. Is this because of some book option settings you have different? >evaluations : > >please recognize that fritz has diametral scores than junior has, and that is >has many draw-range scores... Than it suddenly sees the problems and >scores almost equal to junior. IMO these draw scores are the problem why fritz >loses. The whole tree seems to misevaluate wrong, does not come deep in the tree >and as a result of those wrong tree, the games-turns arround. >Whenever fritz loses/draws on my machines, i have these draw situations. >They normally come very often, are not only ONE move, they happen many moves. >In paris this was the same. >What is fritz doing in those draw-areas ?!? > > >[Event "summer-tournament"] >[Site "k6/200 40/120"] >[Date "1998.08.23"] >[Round "5"] >[White "Junior5 beta 16bit"] >[Black "Fritz5.03 power.ctg"] >[Result "1-0"] > >1. c4 Nf6 2. d4 e6 3. Nf3 c5 4. d5 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. Nc3 g6 >7. Nd2 Nbd7 8. e4 Bg7 9. Be2 O-O 10. O-O Re8 11. a4 Ne5 12. Ra3 g5 >13. Re1 0,42 a6 >14. Nf1 0,41 h6 >15. Ne3 0,37 Ng6 >16. Qc2 0,44 Nf4 0.03 draw score >17. Bf3 0,44 b6 0.09 arround draw >18. Nc4 0,51 N4xd5 0.03 draw score >19. Nxd5 0,58 Nxd5 +0.19 PLUS score !!!! >20. Qd1 0,71 Nb4 0.00 again draw score >21. Nxd6 0,57 Re7 0.03 draw score >22. e5 0,56 Rb8 +0.25 plus score >23. Rae3 0,13 Be6 +0.34 plus score >24. b3 0,15 Qc7 +0.53 plus score >25. Bb2 0,28 Rd7 +0.28 plus score >26. Qb1 0,27 Rbd8 +0.41 plus score >27. Be4 0,55 Nd5 +0.19 plus score >28. Rf3 0,66 Nf4 +0.28 plus score >29. Bh7+ 0,55 Kh8 0.00 draw score >30. Bf5 0,43 Qa7 0.00 draw score >31. h4 0,78 Qc7 -0.88 game-over ! >32. hxg5 1,59 hxg5 -1.44 >33. Bc1 1,71 Bxf5 -1.66 >34. Qxf5 2,46 Re7 -2.06 >35. Bxf4 3,01 Rxd6 -2.38 >36. exd6 3,12 Rxe1+ -4.19 >37. Kh2 1,36 Qd8 -5.16 >38. Qxf7 6,15 g4 -5.66 >39. Qh5+ 6,77 Kg8 -6.75 >40. Qxg4 6,67 Re4 -6.63 >41. Rg3 6,75 Qf6 -6.78 >42. Qc8+ Kh7 43. Bg5 Qxd6 44. Qf5+ Kg8 45. Qxe4 Qe5 46. Qg4 Qd6 >47. Bc1 Qxg3+ 48. Kxg3 Kf8 49. Qe6 Bf6 50. Qxf6+ Ke8 51. Bg5 Kd7 >52. Qe7+ Kc6 53. Qe6+ Kb7 54. Bd8 Ka8 55. Qc6+ Kb8 56. Bxb6 a5 >57. Qc7+ Ka8 58. Qc8# 1-0
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