Author: Brian Katz
Date: 09:16:17 09/16/02
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On September 16, 2002 at 11:31:50, Harald Faber wrote:
>On September 16, 2002 at 09:01:53, Brian Katz wrote:
>
>>It appears that we are being lied to when they say that DF7 is stronger than F7
>>even if only a single processor is used.
>
>This is nonsense.
>
>>If you remember, the same thing was said of Deep Fritz as compared to Fritz 6.
>>( "Increased endgame knowledge and increased positional play") I find it odd
>>that they would use the same exact wording for this advertisement, yet I still
>>bought it, pardon the pun.
>
>DeepFritz (6) is definitely stronger than Fritz 6 and this has been proved.
>Like DeepFritz 7 is definitely stronger than Fritz 7 and will be proved. Not
>only by me. As I already wrote, I have some games, and the results look clearly
>better than Fritz 7 results.
I have had some engine tournaments where Deep-Fritz did not perform well at all.
I'll send the crosstables and time controls used. As far as opeing books are
concerned, each program used their own opening book, since programs are supposed
to perform better when using their own books, so I am told.>
>>Perhaps it should be called Deep-Putz 7.
>>All replies welcome and looked forward to.
>>Regards
>>Brian
>
>To me it looks you are still trolling around.
DF7 vs F7-2 Eatontown 2002
1234
1 Deep Fritz 7 0½1½ 2.0/4 4.00 This was a Game 30 32 mb hash
2 Fritz 7 1½0½ 2.0/4 4.00
DF7 vs F7 Eatontown 2002
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
1 Deep Fritz 7 ½ ½ 0 ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 1 ½ 0 1 ½ 0 ½ 1 ½ 0 ½ 1 11.0/20
2 Fritz 7 ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ 0 ½ 0 0 ½ 1 0 ½ 1 ½ 0 ½ 1 ½ 0 9.0/20
This was a Game 2 where DF7 did ok 16 mb hash
Blitz:5' Eatontown 0
12345678901234567890
1 Fritz 7 1½½½01½½1½100½½½½½½½ 10.5/20
2 Deep Fritz 7 0½½½10½½0½011½½½½½½½ 9.5/20 This was a Game 5 16 mb Hash
Blitz:5'+12" 0
123456
1 Deep Fritz 7 ½10½½1 3.5/6
2 Fritz 7 ½01½½0 2.5/6 This was ok for DF7 32 mn hash
5 12 32MB Eatontown 2002
1 2 3 4 5
1 Deep Fritz ** ½1 ½½ 11 1½ 6.0/8
2 Fritz 6 ½0 ** 10 11 1½ 5.0/8
3 Deep Fritz 7 ½½ 01 ** 0½ ½½ 3.5/8
4 Fritz 7 00 00 1½ ** 1½ 3.0/8
5 Hiarcs 8 0½ 0½ ½½ 0½ ** 2.5/8
This was a disaster for Fritz 7 and Deep Fritz 7
2 MIN EXTRAVAGANZA 16 MB HASH-1 2002 Game 2min+2 sec incr.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1 Deep Fritz ** ½1 ½1 1 00 1 01 1 1 8.0/12
2 Fritz 7 ½0 ** ½½ 01 ½ 1½ 01 1 1 7.5/13 43.00
3 Fritz 6 ½0 ½½ ** 1 0½ 1 ½ 11 1 7.5/12 41.50
4 Hiarcs 8 0 10 0 ** 1 ½½ 1 11 ½1 7.5/12 37.50
5 Deep Fritz 7 11 ½ 1½ 0 ** 0½ 11 0 0 6.5/12
6 Shredder 6.02 0 0½ 0 ½½ 1½ ** ½ ½1 0½ 5.5/13 31.25
7 Shredder 6 10 10 ½ 0 00 ½ ** 0½ 11 5.5/13 30.00
8 Crafty 18.14 0 0 00 00 1 ½0 1½ ** 1 4.0/12
9 Crafty 18.15 0 0 0 ½0 1 1½ 00 0 ** 3.0/11
The above tournament was a disaster for DF7
This next tournament started out badly for DF7 so I endend it and tried some
other controls. This was a game 2 no increments. 16 mb. I have used lower hash
tables as well.
2 MIN EXTRAVAGANZA 16 MB HASH 2002
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1 Crafty 18.14 ** 1 1 2.0/2 2.00
2 Crafty 18.15 ** 1 1 2.0/2 1.00
3 Fritz 7 ** 0 ½ 1 1.5/3
4 Shredder 6 0 0 1 ** 1.0/3 1.50
5 Deep Fritz ½ ** ½ 1.0/2 1.00
6 Fritz 6 0 0 ** 1 1.0/3 0.50
7 Hiarcs 8 ** 1 1.0/1 0.00
8 Deep Fritz 7 ½ 0 ** 0.5/2
9 Shredder 6.02 0 0 ** 0.0/2
This went very well for DF7 at 5/12 32 mn hash
DF7vsF7 32mb 5-12 2002
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1 Deep Fritz 7 1½½1½1 4.5/6
2 Fritz 7 0½½0½0 1.5/6
Deep Fritz 7 has had some good results too.
I have noticed however, that it has been leaving it's King in the center in a
few games and getting crushed by playing superficial attacks. Advancing the h
pawn as white to h4 and h5 etc while it's king is still in the center. Trying
attacks on both wings while it's king is still in the center.
Brian
>What did you do to provide your theory? Did you compare
>Fritz 7 - Shredder Paderborn with DeepFritz 7 - Shredder Paderborn e.g., same
>openings or at least same number of games ( >20)? How many? Did you play vs.
>several progs or only one? Did you only play Fritz 7 - DeepFritz 7 ?
>Play Fritz 7 vs. prog A, B, C, D and then DeepFritz 7 vs. A, B, C and D. And
>then compare again.
>
>Until you REALLY COMPARED you better stop whining.
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