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Subject: Re: Objection *2 - A proposal

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 15:49:49 09/16/02

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On September 16, 2002 at 17:16:43, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>You should stick to the point and not deviate so much! That is what makes it
>difficult for you to understand what I did. And also do not lay words or
>intentions into my mouth I didn't use and have.
>
>BTW I got a good hint by Bob and I will deal with you with more tact, at least I
>try. So first of all let me tell you that I did never intend or insinuate or say
>that you cheated. Believe it or not. But I didn't do it. And therefore your
>direct insults after my first examples yesterday are bad behaviour.
>
>I did never deny or doubt you the right to create these styles. I was not
>interested in the smallest details of your tuning. I did not criticise your
>practice of tuning. I repeat, your tuning was never object of my reflection.
>
>It's both funny and also sad, I named it a satire already, that you felt
>attacked by very basic questions but surely not questions to your main
>occupation, namely the tuning and styling.
>
>I asked the questions and gave the five examples because in my eyes, such games
>and only 30 games in total (concerning autoplayer games in several months!)
>could not say anything about the details of your new style or the new strength
>of theses styles. Can't you understand the meaning of my questions? They are
>easy questions. No insults to your tuning pracice nor your attitude in the hobby
>as such. Simple questions with a very simple logic.
>
>You wrote in many postings here and elsewhere that you found stronger styles for
>Rebel, Macheide, and that Rebel would make putty puke out of Shredder or Fritz.
>
>Now please try to forget for a moment who I am, ok? Just for the sake that you
>can understand the following conclusion. Without being confused by my name
>alone.
>
>You claimed the strength of Rebel Macheide, ok?! And what I did very _simply_,
>but as a "newbie" I can only ask such simple questions, is I searched for your
>games. You gave here and elsewhere the source, your webpage. Well, I went there
>and read the article. Then I downloaded the games. So now I have roughly 30
>games, not more.
>
>Next. I played through the first win I saw for Macheide with Black. And that
>exactly became my first example yesterday. Becuase for me that wasn't a game
>which could prove or give the impression of a better strength of Macheide -
>because the game contained Shredders opening book bug.

I think that the interesting question is if the default Rebel could win the
games with the same openings.

Programs need to know to win their won positions and the position was not so
good to be 100% sure that the default Rebel could win it without testing.

I have not the programs so I cannot answer but if we want to compare between
programs then it is better if we tell shredder to forget all it's learning and
play the same openings with the default version of Rebel.

Uri



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