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Subject: Re: Ruffian 0.76 is still playing incredible strong!

Author: Jonas Cohonas

Date: 06:05:25 09/19/02

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On September 19, 2002 at 08:52:32, Aaron Tay wrote:

>On September 19, 2002 at 08:16:49, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>
>>On September 19, 2002 at 07:35:06, pavel wrote:
>>
>>>On September 19, 2002 at 06:01:57, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 05:59:07, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 05:19:07, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1: Ruffian 0.76    20.0 / 24
>>>>>> 2: Gandalf 5.1     15.5 / 24
>>>>>> 3: WBNimzo 2000b   15.0 / 24
>>>>>> 4: Yace 0.99.56    14.5 / 24
>>>>>> 5: Pharaon 2.62    13.5 / 25
>>>>>> 6: Zarkov 4.5y     12.5 / 25
>>>>>> 7: LambChop 10.88  12.0 / 24
>>>>>> 8: Pepito 1.55     10.0 / 24
>>>>>> 9: Quark 1.76      10.0 / 24
>>>>>>10: Shredder 3.0    10.0 / 24
>>>>>>11: Comet B.48-2    10.0 / 24
>>>>>>12: Gromit 3.8.2     9.5 / 24
>>>>>>13: Nejmet 3.06      8.5 / 24
>>>>>>14: Patzer 3.61      8.0 / 24
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And still the only thing I know about program is the author: Per-Ola
>>>>>>Valfridsson!
>>>>>>Google search gives him 1774 rating - so his about mine level. But his program
>>>>>>seems to play around 2800?!?!?!?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jouni
>>>>>
>>>>>The rating of the author is totally unimportant.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have some questions:
>>>>>
>>>>>1)How much time did the author work on his program?
>>>>>2)What did he read to help him to develop his program?
>>>>>What are the free source codes that he looked at and how much of them did he
>>>>>understand?
>>>>>3)Did the author claimed that he is going to do the program freeware?
>>>>>I read this claim but not from the author but only from other people.
>>>>>
>>>>>I doubt if to believe it and I will also have the same doubts if someone tells
>>>>>me that one of Fritz,Tiger or Junior are going to be freeware espacially when
>>>>>the teller is not the author of one of these programs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>Note that if Ruffian0.76 is going to be freeware only in 2010 then the claim
>>>>that it is going to be freeware is misleading.
>>>>
>>>>My understanding was that the claim was that ruffian is going to be freeware in
>>>>the near future and my interpertation is 2002.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>Ruffian will come with the next update of Arena with the installation and
>>>without the installation, as a winboard engine.
>>>Just like programs like AnMon and SoS comes with the Arena Installation package.
>>>
>>>The programmer himself said he will release it very soon, from what I
>>>understand, he wants to port it under other OS too.
>>>
>>>When will Ruffian come out?
>>>The same time next update of Arena will.
>>>
>>>cheers,
>>>pavs
>>
>>Snip from Frank Q's (excellent!) Arena site:
>>
>>Arena main files and partner engines:
>>- UCI SOS 2 for Arena
>>- UCI AnMon 5.21
>>- UCI Nejmet 3.06
>>- UCI Dragon 4.3
>>- UCI Ruffian x ... not clear so far (maybe a short time after Arena 0.90).
>>
>>Snipover.
>>
>>Personally i can't wait to see the newcomer (Ruffian) in action on my own comp
>>and i am a bit surprised over the lack of optimism on Uri's part, maybe he has
>>the "new engine itch" in his fingers too and can't wait ;)
>
>No the reverse actually.Uri will correct me if I'm wrong but I think Uri Blass
>feels that when chess programs progress beyond a certain level (let's say Crafty
>strenght) they should never be released as freeware (or should go commercial)
>since such programs make the job of commercial engine writers more difficult
>since such strong free alternatives exist.
>
>Of course he is writing from the point of view of an aspiring commercial chess
>engine writer..
>
>Quite a few threads about this here and in the Winboard forum...in the past..
>
>
>>Regards
>>Jonas

If you notice the ;) in my post you will see that i was not being too serious..

Regards
Jonas



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