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Subject: Re: I will bet on the machine for this coming match , Correction !

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 16:57:05 09/19/02

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On September 19, 2002 at 18:18:30, James T. Walker wrote:

>On September 19, 2002 at 17:35:25, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 19, 2002 at 15:31:42, Chris Carson wrote:
>>
>>>On September 19, 2002 at 15:06:54, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 14:34:48, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 14:17:50, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 14:05:58, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 14:03:25, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If Hiarcs 8 can at least use the new AMD 2.6 Ghz or the upcoming 3.0 Ghz Intel
>>>>>>>by January, it might have a chance to win.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.chessevents.nl/bareev_match.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Note that this is 40 moves in 2 hours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The computer is going to have its "hands" full with this GM.  Or any
>>>>>>GM.  At that time control.
>>>>>
>>>>>At 40/2 on AMD 2.6 or PIV 3.0, the advantage is to the comp.
>>>>
>>>>Not really.  Not much more than on it's current hardware.  It is just an
>>>>imcremental speedup.  At the depths it will be having to search, it will be
>>>>_lucky_ to get even one extra ply of search, and that is doubtful.  The
>>>>non-advantage of this speedup is more evident at slow time controls.
>>>>
>>>>If the match were at fast time controls, then the speedup would be a greater
>>>>boon.  As it is, even if the effective speed were doubled, the program would be
>>>>lucky to get an extra ply.
>>>>
>>>>>  The GM may win,
>>>>>but Hiarcs 8.0 is the favorite in this match.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is great news, my best to both the GM and Hiarcs.
>>>
>>>Won't need an extra ply, just incremental speed up.  The programs are 2600+ on a
>>>1Ghz PIII, the 3Ghz PIV machine should have a slight advantage.  This GM may
>>>win, but he will have to be very well prepard and make no mistakes.  Most GM's
>>>would lose this match, a top 10 GM vs Hiarcs 8 on a 2.5Ghz or faster is a very
>>>close match, small speedups and sw improvement make the difference between
>>>winning and loosing at this level/speed, in 18 months it will be even toughter,
>>>but the GM will still have good chances.  It should be fun to watch.  :)
>>
>>
>>2600+ at _what_ time control?  There is a big difference between game/60
>>and 40/2hr.  At game/60 the GMs generally build up a significant advantage
>>but then blow it in time trouble.  At 40/2 this is not going to happen very
>>often...
>
>I agree with Bob that this GM will have the advantage at 40/2.  I do not agree
>with the "any GM" statement though.  This GM is rated 0ver 2700.  I don't
>believe any programs are playing over 2700 right now.
>Jim


Personally, I believe that _any_ GM is very dangerous at 40/2hr time
controls.  That speed is basically eliminating the "blitz-outs" that
computers are famous for.  I don't believe _all_ GMs will destroy the
computers at 40/2 by any stretch.  But I believe that _any_ GM will give
_any_ computer plenty of fits...  at that time control



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