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Subject: Re: Ruffian 0.76 is still playing incredible strong!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 17:04:33 09/19/02

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On September 19, 2002 at 18:33:37, Chessfun wrote:

>On September 19, 2002 at 18:21:10, pavel wrote:
>>On September 19, 2002 at 18:06:32, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>>That's the point.  I can't imagine someone working on an engine, in a vacuum,
>>>>>>>for a decade, before anyone finds out about it.  I can't imagine anyone writing
>>>>>>>a program in 6 months that would come close to beating _any_ top program.
>>>>>>>Anything is possible, I will agree.  But the probability is so low that it
>>>>>>>will make people wonder...
>>>>>>I hope you realize that you have essentially *publicly* leveled an accusation
>>>>>>without presenting any evidence. I would prefer in such cases that either an
>>>>>>investigation be conducted discretely or a wait and see policy be followed.
>>>>>I haven't leveled _any_ accusation whatsoever.  I asked a direct question,
>>>>>pointing out what has happened in the past.  I have _not_ said that this
>>>>>program is a "clone" or anything else, and you can feel free to find some-
>>>>>thing I wrote that does make that claim...
>>>>>As I said previously, I find it _hard_ to believe that a newcomer would be
>>>>>that strong.  _not_ impossible, just _unlikely_.  I stand by that...  If some-
>>>>>one takes that the wrong way, fine by me...
>>>>No offense.
>>>>But you had the same impression when YACE came out.
>>>Yace first release was clearly wekaer than yace of today.
>>Yes I know that.
>>But the time between the first released version of Yace and the last version of
>>Yace was very short, if you consider the increase in strenth.
>>It was when Yace starting doing as good (or even better) that Bob thought it was
>>a crafty clone.
>>Later Dann verified himself and convinced Bob.
>Hi Pavel,
>        It's my honest hope that in this case someone will also be able to do
>the same thing as Dann with Yace. Ruffian has been rumored to be a Crafty clone
>on ICC for some time and I don't doubt Dr. Hyatt has heard those rumors.

Sorry, but I have not heard that myself.  However, it would be a common
assumption based on past events on ICC, such as le petite, et al.  But I
have not heard that at all.  In fact, I had not heard the name ruffian until
a couple of posts here recently.  Of course I don't read everything that goes
on here so I might have missed a couple of prior comments about it...

My time on ICC has been somewhat limited of late, with other things "in the
fire" here...  But I will get back there more regularly soon...

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