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Subject: Re: Ruffian 0.76 is still playing incredible strong!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:12:38 09/19/02

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On September 19, 2002 at 18:50:30, Jason Williamson wrote:

>Yace is an example of an engine that came on the scene very strong, if i recall.

It wasn't overly strong when it first showed up.  And the author participated
in lots of discussions here during the development, also...

that's a big difference in the two...


>
>On September 19, 2002 at 17:37:32, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 19, 2002 at 14:46:59, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>
>>>On September 19, 2002 at 14:20:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 11:47:01, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 11:24:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The only thing that concerns me is that anytime a brand new and unheard-of
>>>>>>engine pops up, it is cause for concern _and_ suspicion.  It might be perfectly
>>>>>>legitimate, who knows.  But remember "voyager", "le petite", "bionic impact",
>>>>>>"gunda" and others?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jumping way up to near the front of the pack is not easy.  Doing it without
>>>>>>ever having been to a public event is even more unlikely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It would be interesting to examine the executable if anyone has a copy, to
>>>>>>avoid the suspicions before they start to grow...
>>>>>
>>>>>That suspicion is natural, but if this engine really is that strong, then he
>>>>>must have improved a lot on Crafty or whatever code he used.
>>>>>There has been many Crafty clones, but no one actually stronger than Crafty
>>>>>AFAIK, so Ruffian is really not your average clone in that case.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It depends.  IE on any given day, crafty can beat anybody, or be beaten by
>>>>anybody.  Look at the results for "Le Petite".  It looked very strong.  Yet
>>>>it was an absolute copy...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>But apart from that, have you ever really gone over all the open source programs
>>>>>out there, and what about the CCC archives? There is plenty of information
>>>>>available to build a mighty strong engine. I don't think it could be done in 6
>>>>>months, but who knows how much time he spent on it, hopefully it was a good
>>>>>decade ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>-S.
>>>>
>>>>That's the point.  I can't imagine someone working on an engine, in a vacuum,
>>>>for a decade, before anyone finds out about it.  I can't imagine anyone writing
>>>>a program in 6 months that would come close to beating _any_ top program.
>>>>
>>>>Anything is possible, I will agree.  But the probability is so low that it
>>>>will make people wonder...
>>>
>>>I hope you realize that you have essentially *publicly* leveled an accusation
>>>without presenting any evidence. I would prefer in such cases that either an
>>>investigation be conducted discretely or a wait and see policy be followed.
>>
>>
>>I haven't leveled _any_ accusation whatsoever.  I asked a direct question,
>>pointing out what has happened in the past.  I have _not_ said that this
>>program is a "clone" or anything else, and you can feel free to find some-
>>thing I wrote that does make that claim...
>>
>>As I said previously, I find it _hard_ to believe that a newcomer would be
>>that strong.  _not_ impossible, just _unlikely_.  I stand by that...  If some-
>>one takes that the wrong way, fine by me...



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