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Subject: Re: I will bet on the machine for this coming match , Correction !

Author: Chris Carson

Date: 05:12:17 09/20/02

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On September 19, 2002 at 23:10:11, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 19, 2002 at 21:55:44, Rick Terry wrote:
>
>>On September 19, 2002 at 17:34:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On September 19, 2002 at 14:34:48, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 14:17:50, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 14:05:58, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 14:03:25, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If Hiarcs 8 can at least use the new AMD 2.6 Ghz or the upcoming 3.0 Ghz Intel
>>>>>>by January, it might have a chance to win.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.chessevents.nl/bareev_match.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Note that this is 40 moves in 2 hours.
>>>>>
>>>>>The computer is going to have its "hands" full with this GM.  Or any
>>>>>GM.  At that time control.
>>>>
>>>>At 40/2 on AMD 2.6 or PIV 3.0, the advantage is to the comp.  The GM may win,
>>>>but Hiarcs 8.0 is the favorite in this match.
>>>>
>>>>This is great news, my best to both the GM and Hiarcs.
>>>
>>>
>>>I totally disagree.  The longer the time control, the better the human will
>>>do.  Based on watching these games about 30 years now.  IE at correspondence,
>>>a good IM will tear the chips out of most any program going...  At blitz, the
>>>comp is nearly unbeatable...  _nearly_ being the operative word of course.
>>>
>>>Hiarcs might be the favorite for you, but my instinct says "human".  At game/30
>>>the comp would definitely be favored.  At game/60 it gets tougher.  At a non-
>>>sudden-death time control, the human isn't going to get into time trouble and
>>>get blitzed...
>>
>>
>> Well Century 4 seemed to handle Van Wely quite easily, Hiarcs is much stronger
>>then Rebel on faster hardware.
>
>
>I don't think it "handled him quite easily"...
>
>but we will see before long,....

Feb, 2002  Rebel Century 4 on an AMD 1900+ plays an even match against GM Van
Wely (Fide 2697, top 10 GM at the time) at 40/2.  Score for Rebel is +2, 0,
-2(no draws, all wins for both players were with the white pieces).

It was an even match and on slower HW.  I would agree the in this match the GM
and computer are about even (but I like the comps chances if on 3Ghz machine,
with programmer operating and latest s/w).

I agree with one of your later posts that most GM's can play the comps close,
but the advantage is now with the comps against most GM's at 40/2.  Perhaps 40/3
would be better for the human GM's.  A top 10 GM is about even on 2Ghz at 40/2,
this will be a good match, in 18 months it will need to be a Top 5 GM at 40/2.



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