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Subject: Re: Ruffian 0.76 is still playing incredible strong!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 05:58:16 09/20/02

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On September 20, 2002 at 08:33:37, pavel wrote:

>On September 20, 2002 at 07:51:16, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>
>>On September 20, 2002 at 07:34:02, pavel wrote:
>>
>>>The point is that it is possible to not post in winboard forum and other forum
>>>but come up with a strong engine.
>>
>>Correct.
>>
>>>I don't see programmer of Fritz brag about his program and perticipate in any
>>>forum.
>>>Why is it not possible for someone else?
>>>Does his silence means that there is something fishy about his program?
>>
>>No, it doesn't by default. There are plenty of examples to invalidate that
>>theory. The interesting bit is the actual development time. You can make an
>>argument about how long it'll take to develop an engine of a certain strength.
>>But even that becomes subjective rather quickly (ie. pure guesswork) as you
>>can't exclude the likelihood of immense talent, nor avoid the fact that sources
>>are available in abundance nowadays, be it papers or source code. The discussion
>>is, or becomes, rather tedious without an actual executable to confirm or
>>support various allogations. That isn't foolproof either.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Mogens
>
>
>I agree.
>The only way to know if it is a clone (which I highly doubt) or not, is by
>having access to the executable.
>Without that, we can make guesses, and try to prove each other with past similar
>scenarios, but we cannot come into conclutions.
>
>Here are possible reasons why I think it is not a clone:
>
>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?252851
>
>cheers,
>pavs

Nobody claims that there is a proof that it is a clone but I clearly do
not like the author's decision not to play with it in tournaments before
having a very strong engine and hiding everything.

Uri



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