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Subject: Re: Ruffian 0.76 is still playing incredible strong!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:39:24 09/20/02

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On September 20, 2002 at 08:47:05, pavel wrote:

>On September 19, 2002 at 23:13:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>On September 19, 2002 at 20:20:38, pavel wrote:
>>>On September 19, 2002 at 20:00:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>Of course not.  One was proven to be _another_ clone.  :) (A commercial
>>>>engine, in fact).  I wasn't saying that _only_ Crafty can be copied.  But it
>>>>has happened to Crafty enough times already to make anyone think that it will
>>>>probably happen again.
>>>>And again, my point is this:  A new engine doesn't suddenly arrive playing at
>>>>the top.  Someone _always_ knows about it, even if it isn't publicly playing
>>>>games.  And when it shows up, they will usually say (then) "I knew this was
>>>>going to be a good engine as I have seen it for a year now..."  or something
>>>>similar.  IE "brutus" from Chessbase.  Rumors floated for a year.
>>>>Something new can come out of the dark.  But not very often.  Which was the
>>>>original point...
>>>I understand your point.
>>>But it is not impossible to believe that a program can be so strong but not
>>>everyone know about it.
>>>Yace, List are good examples.
>>But at least Yace is _not_ a good example.  Early versions were not very
>>strong...  it developed pretty quickly, but _not_ in a dark hole...
>The first public version was atleast around 2300 (around 100 point less than
>crafty at that time). Compare to the levels of free chess programs at that time,
>it "was" still very strong for a first release version.

2300 is not that hard.  In fact, with today's hardware, 2300 is not
difficult at all.  Very early versions of Crafty were that strong, even
with simplistic evaluation..

>And Dieter was working onthe program for 8 yrs, and none of us knew about

I'll bet _someone_ knew.

>Why is it not possible (or hard to believe) for other programs ie, ruffian?

I never said "impossible".  I did say "improbable".


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