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Subject: Re: Ruffian 0.76 is still playing incredible strong!

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 10:43:13 09/20/02

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On September 20, 2002 at 10:03:33, Uri Blass wrote:

>On September 20, 2002 at 08:47:05, pavel wrote:
>
>>On September 19, 2002 at 23:13:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On September 19, 2002 at 20:20:38, pavel wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 19, 2002 at 20:00:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course not.  One was proven to be _another_ clone.  :) (A commercial
>>>>>engine, in fact).  I wasn't saying that _only_ Crafty can be copied.  But it
>>>>>has happened to Crafty enough times already to make anyone think that it will
>>>>>probably happen again.
>>>>>
>>>>>And again, my point is this:  A new engine doesn't suddenly arrive playing at
>>>>>the top.  Someone _always_ knows about it, even if it isn't publicly playing
>>>>>games.  And when it shows up, they will usually say (then) "I knew this was
>>>>>going to be a good engine as I have seen it for a year now..."  or something
>>>>>similar.  IE "brutus" from Chessbase.  Rumors floated for a year.
>>>>>
>>>>>Something new can come out of the dark.  But not very often.  Which was the
>>>>>original point...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I understand your point.
>>>>But it is not impossible to believe that a program can be so strong but not
>>>>everyone know about it.
>>>>
>>>>Yace, List are good examples.
>>>>
>>>>cheers,
>>>>pavs
>>>
>>>
>>>But at least Yace is _not_ a good example.  Early versions were not very
>>>strong...  it developed pretty quickly, but _not_ in a dark hole...
>>
>>
>>The first public version was atleast around 2300 (around 100 point less than
>>crafty at that time). Compare to the levels of free chess programs at that time,
>>it "was" still very strong for a first release version.
>
>The author released it.
>He did not feel that 100 elo worse than Crafty is not strong enough to release
>it when the author of ruffian seems to believe that ruffian is not strong enough
>to be released and Frank expalined that it has nothing to do with arena.
>
>Uri

Hi,

I have never say that the author of Ruffian seems to believe that Ruffian is not
strong enough for released. I say that the author of Ruffian is not ready with
his release version. I have no other information, sorry!

Look in the example of UCI / WB Dragon 4.3.
This program is a partner program from Arena and since today available on the
webpage of Leo Dijksman. We added Dragon as Arena partner program in our setup
files. The same for Ruffian if Perola released his version.

So, Ruffian is a partner program for Arena but the realeased version have
nothing to do with Arena.

I wrote this in WinBoard forum yesterday, maybe you have my posting not
completly understand.

Best
Frank



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