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Subject: Re: Ruffian 0.76 is still playing incredible strong!

Author: pavel

Date: 01:48:42 09/21/02

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On September 21, 2002 at 03:59:53, Uri Blass wrote:

>>For me the discussion seems to be going around a circle.
>>So I just want to reply this perticular post.
>>I disagree with your analogy, that just because he didn't perticipate in any of
>>the WMCC or any of the forums that we know of, he is very unlikely to come up
>>with a strong engine.
>>1) We don't know if he has shared his views with anyone knowledgable about CC.
>>   Just because it wasn't anyone in this forum, doesn't necessarily mean there
>>   is noone outside this forum.
>>   To give an example, as Dieter has said (sorry to Dieter for dragging him
>>   so many times to prove my point) the first time Dieter spoke with someone
>>   in the "Computer Chess Community" was with you (which you most likely don't
>>   remember) and that too few years ago. Before coming in public in
>>   the "Computer Chess Community", he worked on his program for 7-8 yrs and
>>   none of us knew it. Thus, it is possible to work silently on a program for so
>>   long without "coming out in open".
>The program was weaker than crafty in the first release inspite of the fact that
>Dieter is a good programmer.
>I believe that one of the reasons that yace improved rapidely later is fidback
>that Dieter got from testers.
>I did not know at that time that Dieter worked 8 years on it but I remember from
>a post of Dann Corbit that Dieter is good in math and not only in programming
>and I thought that it is a big advantage.
>I believe that people with talent for math can think of better ideas because
>math is about thinking.
>being a good programmer is important for implementing the ideas.
>The point is that even Dieter did not have something that is better than Crafty
>in his first release.

His first release was rated approx 2300, if this is possible without any or much
feedback", why not an engine with 2500 or 2550?.

At the time of Yace's release Crafty was approx. 100 point stronger than Yace.
In a matter of few months Dieter was able to make yace as strong as Crafty (or
even better), with the help of feedback from testers.

Ruffian has also been testing for some time now, by people like Leo, Frank,
Benny and few more.

Why is it not possible (or hard to believe)?

Just because no one has done it before, doesn't mean no one can do it.


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