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Subject: Re: Ruffian 0.76 is still playing incredible strong!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 03:03:11 09/21/02

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On September 21, 2002 at 04:40:39, pavel wrote:

>On September 21, 2002 at 04:29:24, Manfred Meiler wrote:
>>On September 21, 2002 at 03:59:53, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>On September 21, 2002 at 03:31:01, pavel wrote:
>>>>2) Question: How many of you guys knew about Gandalf and it's programmer, before
>>>>   it came out as a commercial engine? In what forums did he actively
>>>>   perticipate? How many tournaments did it play before coming out as a
>>>>   commercial software?
>>>I do not know how many tournament did it play but I know that it played in
>>>tournaments many years ago.
>>>I rememeber reading about it and based on my memory the first versions of
>>>gandalf used too much selective search so they were not good and only after the
>>>programmer dropped selective search the program improved significantly.
>>The first tournament with Gandalf I remember was the WMCC 1993 in Munich (9
>>rounds, winner was Hiarcs).
>>Gandalf scored on rank # 21 (of 28) and won in the first rounds surprisingly
>>against MChess and Quest but lost the most games in the following rounds (e.g.
>>against Bobby II, Kallisto, Now and SOS).
>>At this time Steen had worked already 6 years on his program.
>Thanks for the info.
>I had no idea about this program before it's first release.
>I don't also remember him posting in the forums that I know of, before he
>released his program.
>So obviously he didn't get a lot of feedback from a lot of people but yet got to
>come with an engine that is so strong.

I remember that gandalf3 was tested by the ssdf.
I remember that thorsten also played with it so obviously he got feedback about
his program.
Gandalf did not fall out of the sky and the programmer did it commercial.
I expect programmers who work hard about their program to try to get something
from that.

If the target is to share information then the author of Ruffian should share
information about his ideas in Ruffian and not only release it as freeware.
If the author does not want to share information then he should sell it.

The threat to release Ruffian as a freeware together with saying nothing about
the ideas behind ruffian has only one target that I can understand if the target
is not to sell it and it is making the other programmers feel bad.
It is not the same case with Dieter because Dieter discussed about ideas and
Dieter did not threat to release yace before doing it.

I do not understand the programmer of ruffian
I see no reason for him to wait if he wants to release it and it cause me to
doubt if it is going to be freeware.
It is not the same with weak programs and I can understand if a programmer does
not want to release something weaker than Crafty.


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