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Subject: Re: Last try

Author: Tony Werten

Date: 04:32:16 09/21/02

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On September 21, 2002 at 06:03:22, Gerd Isenberg wrote:

>On September 21, 2002 at 05:15:37, Tony Werten wrote:
>
>>On September 21, 2002 at 05:14:20, Tony Werten wrote:
>>
>>>On September 21, 2002 at 05:11:37, Tony Werten wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 20, 2002 at 18:25:20, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 20, 2002 at 18:03:55, Tony Werten wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 20, 2002 at 05:15:45, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[D]2b1q3/p7/1p1p2kb/nPpN3p/P1P1P2P/6P1/5R1K/5Q2 w - - 0 1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Isn't Rf6+ an alternate solution to e5?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think it is. I spoke with several other programmer about this position. Most
>>>>>>seem to play Rf6. Both seem to be good ( +1.5 )
>>>>>
>>>>>It looks to me like a simple transposition.
>>>>>The programs that play Rf6 will play e5 in a few plies, and end up at the same
>>>>>position.
>>>>
>>>>Could be. I'm not sure though. It would explain why most programs choose Rf6
>>>>since this gets an extension in most programs and e5 appears to be loosing a
>>>>pawn. Later they get the same score so e5 will never replace Rf6.
>>>>
>>>>BTW Are there any programs that solve this one ? ( Don't mean matesolvers )
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>[D]rnb1k1nr/p2p1ppp/3B4/1p1N1N1P/4P1P1/3P1Q2/PqP5/R4Kb1 w kq - 0 1
>>
>>>
>>>>Tony
>
>Aha, BT2630 Position 27 and 28 (from Anderssen-Kieseritzky 1851, "die
>Unsterbliche").
>
>IsiChess (XP2.1) has no clue of e5 in 15 miutes. It wants to play Qd1 (after 10
>seconds) with -0.22 after 1:49 and +0.01 after 6 minutes.
>PV: 1.Qd1 Na6 2.Kxg1 g6 3.Rb1 Qxa2 4.Ra1 Qb2 5.Ba3 Qxa3 5.Rxa3 gxf5
>
>After 17:53 Rae1! with 21++  hmmm...

XiniX wants to play Re1 as well. What does your 21++ mean ? Failhigh with +21
pawns ?

Tony

>
>Cheers,
>Gerd



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