Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 11:37:04 09/21/02
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On September 21, 2002 at 14:20:52, John Merlino wrote: >On September 21, 2002 at 14:08:33, Kurt Utzinger wrote: > >>Something must be wrong with the CM9-GUI (v1.0.1). Some days ago I posted a >>position with the following comments: >> >>Is the new Chessmaster 9000 (TheKing 3.23) running better under Fritz7-GUI? I am >>somewhat puzzled but this may be true. When testing the position >> >>[D]8/8/K6p/6p1/8/8/k5PP/8 w - - 0 1 >> >>I got different and partly worse results under CM9-GUI whereas under Fritz7-GUI >>using Wb2Uci.eng and Wb2Uci.exe the test can be repeated with still the same >>solution time and evaluation. >> >>In the meantime I have found a much better example where CM9 finds the winning >>move 1.Kg2 only after more than 9 minutes on (P4 1800/32 MB hash). When however >>using TheKing 3.23 under Fritz7-GUi with Odd Gunnar Malin's adapter Wb2Uci.exe, >>the program finds the solution at once showing mate announcement. >> >>The King 3.23 - Utzinger,K >>[D]8/4k3/3p4/3P4/2P5/8/8/5K2 w - - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by The King 3.23: >> >> >>(Utzinger, MyTown 21.09.2002) >> >> >>Time Depth Score Positions Moves >>0:11 20/24 1.68 2957928 1.Kf2 Kf8 2.Ke3 Ke7 3.Kd3 Kd7 4.Kd4 >> Kd8 5.Kc3 Kc7 6.Kb4 Kb6 7.Ka3 Ka7 >> 8.Kb2 Kb6 9.Kc2 Kc7 10.Kc3 Kc8 >> 11.Kb4 Kb8 12.Kb5 Kb7 >>0:21 21/25 1.55 5708849 1.Kf2 Kf8 2.Ke3 Ke7 3.Kd3 Kd7 4.Kd4 >> Kd8 5.Ke4 Ke7 6.Kf3 Kf7 7.Ke2 Ke7 >> 8.Kd2 Kd7 9.Kd3 Kd8 10.Kc2 Kc7 >> 11.Kc3 Kc8 12.Kb4 Kb8 13.Kb5 Kc7 >>0:39 22/26 1.71 10431955 1.Kf2 Kf8 2.Ke3 Ke7 3.Kd3 Kd7 4.Kd4 >> Kd8 5.Ke4 Ke7 6.Kf3 Kf7 7.Kg3 Kg7 >> 8.Kg2 Kg8 9.Kf1 Kf7 10.Ke2 Ke7 >> 11.Ke3 Ke8 12.Kf4 Kf8 13.Kf5 Kf7 >> 14.Ke4 >>1:07 23/27 1.59 18273652 1.Kf2 Kf8 2.Ke3 Ke7 3.Kd3 Kd7 4.Kd4 >> Kd8 5.Ke4 Ke7 6.Kf5 Kf7 7.Kf4 Kf6 >> 8.Kf3 Kf7 9.Ke2 Ke7 10.Kd2 Kd7 >> 11.Kc3 Kc7 12.Kb3 Kb7 13.Ka4 Ka8 >> 14.Kb4 Kb7 >>1:52 24/28 1.63 30856826 1.Kf2 Kf8 2.Ke3 Ke7 3.Kd3 Kd7 4.Kd4 >> Kd8 5.Ke4 Ke7 6.Kf3 Kf7 7.Kg4 Kg6 >> 8.Kg3 Kg7 9.Kg2 Kg8 10.Kf1 Kf7 >> 11.Ke2 Ke7 12.Kd2 Kd8 13.Kc3 Kc7 >> 14.Kc2 Kc8 15.Kd3 >>3:11 25/29 1.62 52847121 1.Kf2 Kf8 2.Ke3 Ke7 3.Kd3 Kd7 4.Kd4 >> Kd8 5.Kc3 Kc7 6.Kb4 Kb6 7.Ka3 Ka7 >> 8.Kb2 Kb6 9.Kc2 Kc7 10.Kb1 Kb7 >> 11.Kc1 Kc7 12.Kd2 Kd7 13.Kd3 Kd8 >> 14.Kd4 Kd7 15.Ke4 >>5:13 26/30 1.62 86825953 1.Kf2 Kf8 2.Ke3 Ke7 3.Kd3 Kd7 4.Kd4 >> Kd8 5.Kc3 Kc7 6.Kb4 Kb6 7.Ka3 Ka7 >> 8.Kb2 Kb6 9.Kc2 Kc7 10.Kb1 Kb7 >> 11.Kc1 Kc7 12.Kd2 Kd7 13.Kd3 Kd8 >> 14.Kd4 Kd7 15.Ke4 Ke7 >>8:36 27/31 1.50 143951819 1.Kf2 Kf8 2.Ke3 Ke7 3.Kd3 Kd7 4.Kd4 >> Kd8 5.Kc3 Kc7 6.Kb4 Kb6 7.Ka3 Ka7 >> 8.Kb2 Kb6 9.Kc2 Kc7 10.Kc1 Kc8 >> 11.Kd1 Kd7 12.Ke2 Ke7 13.Ke3 Ke8 >> 14.Kf3 Kf7 15.Kg4 Kg8 16.Kf5 >>9:47 27/31 1.57 163659003 1.Kg2 Kf8 2.Kf2 Ke7 3.Kg3 Kf7 4.Kf3 >> Ke7 5.Kg4 Kf8 6.Kf4 Kg8 7.Ke3 Kf7 >> 8.Kd3 Kf6 9.Kc3 Ke7 10.Kb4 Kd7 >> 11.Kb5 Kc7 12.Ka5 Kb7 13.Kb4 Kb6 >> 14.Kc3 Kc7 15.Kd3 Kd7 16.Ke4 > >Are you certain that endgame databases were not used in the Fritz GUI in the >second position? That is the only way that The King could "find the solution at >once announcing mate". > >Otherwise, there is no reason to believe that The King would perform >significantly better in the Fritz GUI than in the CM GUI, with the possible >exception that the CM GUI might take a few more % (no more than 2 or 3 at most) >of the CPU, depending on what windows you have open. > >I don't have Fritz, so I cannot make a comparison. However, if YOU have CM8000 >as well as CM9000, then go ahead and try The King v3.23 inside the CM8000 GUI >and see if the results are better than in the CM9000 GUI. I would bet that they >will not be. > >jm The endgame databases were of course used in both cases (CM9-GUI and Frit7-GUI) but since CM9 cannot access the Nalimov tablebases under Fritz7-GUI I am indeed wondering about such differences. Kurt
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